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is gone

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welcome back after about a month I miss

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these guys I've been all over the place

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I miss my team and it's time to get back

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together

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on calling all beings I'm your host DJ

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San Marco here with the money man money

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Nathan what's going on man feels good

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I know our guests backstage you can get

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with this uh we also have our researcher

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who who's uh

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our researcher uh Deb who uh you know

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Priscilla's just moved to Maryland these

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two girls about to get in all kinds of

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trouble it's a ghosts Spirits Cryptids

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look out man cause these girls are

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coming and they're also going to be

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together in October 8th they're going to

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be with uh James iandoli and uh JC King

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in New York City for that Annapolis

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business what's it called Nathan can you

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even recite that thing it's like a very

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it's an inquiry into anomalous

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experiences

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yeah uh our resident experiencer coming

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all the way from Minnesota hey what's

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going on Steph oh you betcha what's up I

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I have to say I have to say I'm jealous

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of Deb and Priscilla getting together if

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I could be with you it would be a

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trifecta of triple trouble man that

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would be amazing

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ghosts better look OMG yeah yes now and

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you know to be among Elite intelligencio

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would be even greater so you know but

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yeah no I'm great it's it's not snowing

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yet so you know I've only gone through

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my first year here and uh I'm bracing

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when you said a leading intelligence

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yeah I thought you were referring to me

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so I just I was I thought I could feel

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really confused but

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let's bring on our guests it's been

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since December since we last saw this

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gentleman for the holiday party when he

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popped in to say hello and we had him

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just before that but now I got a lot

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more knowledge on his show and who we're

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talking about here is uh the executive

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producer of letter 10 Productions and

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you know who's got that going down the

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secret of skin walker Ranch put your

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hands together

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welcome back

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acquire at Nathan's Church man

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um he was smart he did his Masters when

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he was in his damn 20s

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um but hey congratulations everybody on

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behalf of calling all beings like to

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congratulate right now uh TJ Allen the

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executive producer of skin walker Ranch

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for earning at this ripe age of probably

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like 40. how old do you teach it let's

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thank you I appreciate that

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congratulations for earning his master's

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degree TJ Allard yes congrats it's huge

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appreciate that thank you very much

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I never Masters in data science to go

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along with everything else I've been

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congratulations sir

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um I'm sure you're you're resting easy

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and you smile when you wake up and you

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know I don't have to crack a book man I

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I only graduated about two years ago uh

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this September September 20th is two

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years ago so I know I know how you feel

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um and I'm 53. so uh excuse me I'm 55.

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Nathan I forgot how old I was so it's

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I heard you think you're Tony Tony

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earlier that was great was that good it

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feels yeah yeah

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come on now I'm multi-talented TJ I have

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at least one other talent in the world

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uh but anyway

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anyway it's an honor to have you back I

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did consume uh all of of season three of

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Skinwalker Ranch was that season four

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you've probably seen one two and three

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so far because okay three yeah it was uh

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it was well I was texting you at the

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time because I was enjoying it so much

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uh and I'm touching TJ TJ saw that and

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you're like yeah I know I've seen it all

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already uh but I I really enjoyed it and

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they got so much data yes and I you know

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this isn't even my first question but

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but I was wondering if you could just

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comment on what was it you think that

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led to them uh being able to collect so

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was it just the interjection of uh of uh

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Travis Taylor or was it something else

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that you think caused him to be able to

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collect all that data this season I

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think it's the machine is well oiled and

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moving well right now I think it takes a

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couple of seasons to get anything going

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and then kind of getting it on okay you

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developed your format you have your

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mission plan what you're trying to do

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once you understand the tone structure

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of the show then you can start digging

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in you know to the to the nitty gritty

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um it's just like anything right you're

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doing this Big Arc and now that we know

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what that is now you can start breaking

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it into more pieces and then diving

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deeper into each one

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um it's and we're very I mean listen

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it's super lucky uh nobody gets season

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four anymore in anything

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um so this is a a Bonafide hit uh it's

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it's one of those stories I say so I

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I should step back and you know say it I

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I talk to a lot of people right that uh

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over the years I you know looking for

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talent looking for ideas looking for

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shows and um one of the things that you

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try to get across to people is you know

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this my my career this is 20 years in

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the making the overnight success of 20

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years in the making so you know you look

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like oh yeah this just happened but I

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took you know myself it took a very long

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time to get there

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um and you try to put that out there to

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people right away uh when you're kind of

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introducing like what you're trying to

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do what you want to do

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um what you would like to do with them

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and try to dispel a lot of those myths

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and rumors you know just those things

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that people think about like Television

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right out of you know we're out of the

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gate and so uh it's a business like any

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other and you know this is uh the

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response we get from the audience that's

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you know networks like that just hey

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it's working keep it going so hopefully

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you know this is the beginning of many

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you know so uh just beyond the star that

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is is the ranch and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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pass it to Nathan after this one but

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beyond the star that is is the ranch

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itself and the goings on there is there

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a particular decision that you made that

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you thought was integral from the from

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the production and from the

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entertainment side that you think was

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was pivotal I mean yeah and you know I

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and I'm going to say this a couple of

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times I'm sure as we're talking I've a

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lot of stuff I've said before some of

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this I said before so you know I know

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that I'm repeating myself for those

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who've heard this before but uh yeah so

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in the in the beginning of this I'm one

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of the series creators as well as the

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executive producer and now I'm you know

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I'm a co-executive producer because I'm

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not involved in day-to-day anymore uh

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it's so the idea of um the show itself

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the concept it was very um

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professionally expensive uh to pitch

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this kind of topic and it was uh you

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know luckily I had you know most of my

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credits prior to this uh were you know

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just very home renovation stuff um you

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like that uh and so I come from a very I

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come from a television background trying

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to make a show about this topic as

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opposed to someone interested in the

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topic that wants to do TV and they're

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not all the same and people think that

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they are but they're not and so the

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angle I took at this was that like Hey

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a good a a good potential when I see it

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um and people you know look luckily uh

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people believed in that and so I think

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that approach to this as opposed to

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coming at it with this Fantastical idea

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this Fantastical approach it was very

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straightforward like we're making TV

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it is there's a formula for television

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and so I think that was the approach and

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you could see it now you know in season

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three season four the guys at Prometheus

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you know but the team that promote this

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um men and women that for me this like

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they're killing it like they're doing

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such an incredible job with the show so

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you know kudos to them on just keeping

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it going they know what's going they

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know what they're doing and you don't

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want to you know mess with the

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Perfection that they have going on so

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the initial part of it was that that TV

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angle as opposed to the other angle of

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like oh it's something it's something

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um this is a very straightforward TV

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approach

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right Nathan it's expensive keeping a

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dragon in those uh black ball caps and

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511 tactical pants that's not cheap man

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it's not not at all not at all uh we

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have 11 tactical pants like hey really

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did you talk about that no no this is

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just me it's just me it's just it's

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Rhythm uh well you kind of alluded to

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this that um you know and in some ways I

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would think that any show right now is a

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gamble you know when you're kind of

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pitching a show like you said not many

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shows Make It season four it's uh just

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getting the show past season one is

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often a real big challenge so it's been

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a huge success congratulations on that

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how has this show

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um I would Echo what you said earlier

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the show is hitting its stride but how

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is the show itself kind of making its

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mark on other shows that might now be

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kind of entering the same space is there

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kind of a knock-on effect of skin walker

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Ranch yes there is and so I will give

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you a little inside baseball and stuff

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so like you know talking with networks

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um there's uh I'm sure well maybe you're

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not aware so Warner Brothers in

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Discovery merged throughout the water

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Discovery Warner Brothers Discovery I

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don't even know what they go by is

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[Laughter]

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we're paying him so much

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but the uh the war of Discovery so the

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the way that it works now

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um knowing our last conversation like

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they're they're well aware that they did

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a show

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um you know blind frog Ranch which is a

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direct rip-off of Skinwalker and no

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disrespect I mean it just it is like

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there's nobody's hiding anything right

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same formula yeah simple formula right

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but it's also you know you can't touch

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the original right the original is

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always the best

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um in this case everything will always

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be second second fiddle to that in if

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you're looking for a longitudinal uh

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exploration of this anomalous topic

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Skinwalker is now you know the the bar

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like the gold standard

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um and with subsequent you know

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now maybe there's other avenues that

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that go that that this travels in

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um you know it's like Coke Classic and

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New Coke are we in that situation no I

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but I think I think knowing that uh you

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know there's a huge audience here and

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now that this is ingrained as the place

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you know or is the you know the gold

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standard they should they could also be

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doing many others

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um you know it's you have to think of it

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that way like there's you're building a

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franchise you know it's it's they're the

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network is really getting behind it now

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um which again that doesn't happen

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anymore that's very rare I mean Pawn

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Stars was one of the last big ones that

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really got a network push and that's

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still going on I mean what like 650 000

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episodes you know it's like in every

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language on every continent uh forever

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and ever so I think that this you're

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gonna continue to see more of this but I

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would be

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I I wouldn't think anyone else is going

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to do it as well that they're just going

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to keep coming back to us like the teams

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here so to keep doing more nice

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um if I could ask a follow-up on that

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too so last time you were with us you

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were talking a lot about kind of how uh

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media is changing and and this kind of

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what we're doing in some ways is a part

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of this new landscape of how

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entertainment is working the the

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audience is becoming a lot more involved

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in the product and it aligns between

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audience and product are getting a lot

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blurrier so do you see that happening

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with uh the sort of the fan base the

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skin walker and then the kind of

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spin-off I'm kind of reading from the

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lines here but some of the spin-off

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products that might be down the line

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might involve more of that kind of

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audience participation or

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um or direct the content in some ways

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yeah I mean there's there's I'm not

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gonna lie like conversations like that

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happen uh you know as potential and so

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again through all the when you talk to

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so many people over the years it's no no

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one's a beautiful you need to know if

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like every idea you have there's people

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who are paid to sit in a room and think

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of that right and they have

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um and there's no knock on anyone's idea

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like if there's something and it's like

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okay well a water bottle here anything

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you can do around that what there are

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people that they're 24 7 that's what

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they think of but yes I'm seeing you

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know I said this long ago and it's

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unfortunate because I've seen this

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happen um in it's this community in

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particular I'm a little

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um I don't know the right word here I'm

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just not uh

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I'm seeing it kind of deteriorate to a

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point where you're becoming about people

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as opposed to a topic and that is like

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for life for better it's the kiss of

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death for a community right so you start

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to follow people instead of the you know

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instead of what it was like the idea

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um and in this in this you know they're

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okay I should step back and say there

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are uh there's a great um example of

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this and starting the Periscope

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Community a few years back where uh and

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I talked to a lot of the people that are

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in that Community I had and looking for

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show ideas there and some of them

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explained to me how how dangerous this

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What's Happening Here how dangerous it

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is and how it's resulted in in that

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Community when Periscope shut down and

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they moved to Twitter

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um during a lot of that period there

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were they they come with like a

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quote-unquote drama Community where

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people start threatening each other

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people cross state lines and go after

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one another like you know people get

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arrested they docks people and that's

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kind of toxic stuff that's happening

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here until you're losing the idea of

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what was bringing the community together

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uh and it's it's I mean it's this is not

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unique again this has happened this in

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this this happens when people get so

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close to something and they want to be a

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part of it and I understand that and

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there's way there's much better ways to

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be a part of something than chatter

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online like you know you can go and do

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things and and you know it's it's

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I'm seeing that that they're becoming

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the product they want to become the

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product right because you're an expert

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and you read everything and you've

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watched every show and not just you know

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about every show around these topics

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right it doesn't make you an expert it

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makes you just another fan who wants to

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be a part of it

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um unless you're doing something truly

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unique which there's very few that are

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but there are some

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um the fans are becoming the product and

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I think yeah this is kind of what I mean

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I've said this many times like over the

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years you know it's I just I don't want

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to see that happen it's happening and

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hopefully

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that can pull back a little bit I don't

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I don't see how to change it or how it

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happens but right I would love to see

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people stop trying to be the product and

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uh understand it's it's you know you're

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only you're 15 Megs of Fame goes really

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quickly these days yes

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great Insight yeah I love that

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uh Deb I'm gonna pass it off to you yeah

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I was just having a flash of the real

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world UFO style when you were saying

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that I'm just saying it's a possible

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show but

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I'd be lying if I said it hasn't been

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talked about yeah it's like okay you

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Steve if you see a community like this

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developing first thing you do is look at

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every show any idea that's been pitched

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that has developed around a community

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okay and then on that what's the

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subculture of that Community does it

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become competition does it become

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infighting where is it what is the the

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tent pole if you will uh to structure

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show around and um it's been I mean

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these things are all these all come up

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well I I'm ready to throw a question at

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you you ready for it of course I'm sorry

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okay so since the last time we spoke we

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found out something very special about

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Mr Travis Taylor that he was part of the

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UAP task force and I was wondering what

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your response and reaction when you

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found that out was like how did you feel

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about that I was

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super happy

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I gotta say I was extremely happy I I

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understand the there was a part of like

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shock and you know almost like oh I I

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should have known that

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um but at the same time I shouldn't have

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known that nobody should have known that

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and I I'm glad and this is again this

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goes back to the

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there's there are protocols for things

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there are secrets for a reason not

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everyone deserves to know everything and

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it's unfortunate but you know there's

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people there's reasons why

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um and you see what's happening like as

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soon as a little piece of information

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like that gets out Boom the theories and

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and the nonsense distracts from the

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actual message so you lose the signal in

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all the noise of everyone's feelings and

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thoughts about it happening uh I was

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super proud of that fact that it

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happened I was like this is amazing this

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adds a level of credibility to it the

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guy that the United States government

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whether you like it or not doesn't

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matter

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um the guy that they go to is the star

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of our show

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huge

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full stop like that's it like no matter

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what your thoughts are on

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who's in power whatever no we are

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arguably I mean they can't say arguably

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right well maybe I guess you can we have

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the greatest superpower in the world

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right

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um with as far as we know the most

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advanced uh space

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plan or you know Space Program

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um and the guy that those people when

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they have questions kind of lean on just

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happens to be a guy out you know start

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on our show like you can't ask for a

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better a better pedigree so I was very

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excited about that and uh you know

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there's a moment of oh shoot you feel

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like wow you're left out of this you

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know you're you're left out of the

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conversations at times because at every

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company and every business that happens

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right you can't be a part of every

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conversation unless you're the guy at

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the top or you know the person at the

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top

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um and so when that happens you're like

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ooh it's almost that but that's only

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that's your ego that's just a little bit

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of Pride tingle and you're like oh well

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you know what but it's probably for the

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better like I didn't I wasn't in a need

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to know basis okay great and uh I'm very

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excited about it and I can't wait to see

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how much you know more of that kind of

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that develops and where that goes but

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that's a great thank you yeah I love

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that question

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um no that's uh I'm very proud of that

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rack that he's part I'd go as far as to

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say you should even put air conditioning

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in his trailer and maybe even increase

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the size of that big screen that he has

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in in in the the bedroom quarters

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should we only given the green M M's now

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and take out the red ones yes

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yes and I think you

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as quality control and producer anyway

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let's pass it over to UAV experience or

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stuff

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I teach it it's great to see you I I've

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seen you among the Twitter spaces so you

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know finally here we are and uh of

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course I'll have an experience a related

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question

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um yeah and I'm I'm just posing this as

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a question if if it's not it's not um

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you know

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like uh sorry I don't know why I'm even

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nervous right now this is so good my

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apologies my my apologies so okay

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collect collect

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um it's just really cool to chat with

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you and I appreciate what you guys are

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doing for our community and that's

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probably why I've got the nerves so

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here's the question

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how would you feel about the idea of

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conducting an experiencer related uh

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like a data-driven analysis among

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experiencers using similar equipment

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that Eric and Travis use just to see if

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there's some sort of way that you can

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intercept information from actual people

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I mean I've I've heard that there's

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these implants that do promote these RF

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frequencies I do not know if that is

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true or not I would like to see it for

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myself as a realist so what would you

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think about that I would love it

543
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for the last there's members in the

544
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:06,480
community you know that I talked to uh

545
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:08,700
and I give I do those Twitter spaces and

546
00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:10,679
just like with this I am open to here I

547
00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:12,600
want to hear from everybody I can

548
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:13,860
um I'm not here to patch judgment on

549
00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:16,260
anyone everyone has their

550
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,880
who are you to say that what does or

551
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,440
doesn't happen to somebody

552
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:21,600
um right and so when I hear this I've

553
00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:23,640
I've been working with a couple of

554
00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:26,100
people one in particular

555
00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:28,500
um that I really think there's something

556
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,120
there there's a there and I've been

557
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:32,159
pitching this show oh it's been over a

558
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:33,000
year

559
00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:34,679
um and I mean there's a few there's

560
00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:36,299
there's one that I really feel like and

561
00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:37,559
I want to call it out but at the same

562
00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:39,659
time I don't because I feel like you

563
00:21:43,610 --> 00:21:40,679
know I don't want to put them on the

564
00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:43,620
spot um but uh you know you've if you

565
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:45,240
follow me on on Twitter you see who I

566
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:47,220
interact with you see who who I know in

567
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,299
that community that experience your

568
00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:50,520
community and um I I think that's a

569
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,919
great idea I would love to do that uh

570
00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:55,200
and again this is aside from Skinwalker

571
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:56,820
I mean this may you know doesn't have to

572
00:22:03,310 --> 00:21:58,679
be associated with that

573
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:05,210
you know right now

574
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:08,220
um but uh I think that's it's its own

575
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,720
show I don't think that that needs to

576
00:22:13,010 --> 00:22:11,039
piggyback on something else I think

577
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:13,020
there's a it's enough of a topic to be

578
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:15,419
examined that it can it can

579
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:17,340
it can stand on its own

580
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:18,600
um the problem you know again the

581
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,480
problem that we keep running into uh is

582
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,520
distribution so and this is where you're

583
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,440
seeing um that's why this is where you

584
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,640
know fingers crossed that's why this is

585
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,980
such a huge success with Skinwalker

586
00:22:33,169 --> 00:22:31,200
getting a fourth season uh because the

587
00:22:34,610 --> 00:22:33,179
market segmentation with so many outlets

588
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,620
for Content

589
00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,600
um you can't get an audience anymore you

590
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,460
know you go back 10 years already you

591
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,080
know number one shows getting 12 14

592
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:42,000
million you know we're getting just

593
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,860
under two a little over 200 season

594
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:46,799
finale and you're number one like so the

595
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,780
think of that monetarily it's like okay

596
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:50,400
well what Advertiser is going to try to

597
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:52,140
you know pay what they did that 10 years

598
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:55,020
ago for you know a tenth of the viewers

599
00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:58,980
or not even so it's uh I it's getting

600
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,360
distribution for a show like that it's

601
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:02,220
like okay where's the audience

602
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:05,460
um that you and I can't I gotta say this

603
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:07,140
so I went to I had a recent experience

604
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:09,179
where I had some younger people that I

605
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,340
interacted with like 18 you know 20

606
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:13,380
somethings that were actually fans of

607
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:15,900
the show and I was kind of shocked like

608
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:17,880
okay where are you watching it and it's

609
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,500
like oh my parents watch it and so they

610
00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:21,360
start watching with the parents so the

611
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,580
average age of a cable viewer right now

612
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:25,559
it's I want to say it was

613
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:28,740
which is a 62 or 59. it's like 62 year

614
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:30,539
old woman or 59 year old women is the

615
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:32,280
average cable viewer

616
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:34,260
um and so that knowing that it's like

617
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:36,179
okay so you have to appeal

618
00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:37,740
to that audience but there's not a lot

619
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:39,539
of them in comparatively right that are

620
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:40,740
watching television

621
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,500
um and so that show like you're talking

622
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:45,120
about an experiencer show with the

623
00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,320
scientific approach would be amazing

624
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,780
it's just who's the audience and how do

625
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:50,580
you reach that audience

626
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:52,200
um and you know at the end of the day I

627
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,860
am I make Television right so it's it's

628
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:57,960
unfortunately it's a business but at the

629
00:24:01,789 --> 00:23:59,400
same time it is a business and you have

630
00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:01,799
to approach it that way I don't think I

631
00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:03,419
think it could survive um if it found

632
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:05,340
the right outlet and I always encouraged

633
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,539
to pray I love what you guys were doing

634
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:08,159
like I think this is a great way to do

635
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,020
it stay away from the the drama stuff

636
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:11,760
focus on the people that are doing

637
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:13,380
things and that are

638
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,760
um that have contributions that they're

639
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:16,260
making contributions and not the cult of

640
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:18,659
personality stuff right you'll find like

641
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:20,940
this is these are the outlets and fast

642
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:22,740
forward five more years I think it's

643
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,260
something like this that does that show

644
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,960
um the prosumer technology is out there

645
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:29,700
um to you know and it's not ridiculously

646
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:31,080
expensive like it once was you don't

647
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:32,700
need someone with a Deep Pockets like

648
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:33,659
Brandon

649
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,919
um to provide some of that equipment

650
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:37,440
it's it's there and so just approaching

651
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,740
it in a real transparent you know way um

652
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:42,539
would be huge but I think that's great I

653
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:43,860
would love to see that happen and I have

654
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,059
been trying to do something like that

655
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,980
amongst other projects but yeah I think

656
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:48,900
that's a great idea wonderful and it's

657
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,100
great that you've had this time to

658
00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:52,440
actually produce some analytics from the

659
00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:54,179
shows that you've already produced so

660
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,280
yeah I mean hey

661
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:57,840
I'm going to continue collecting

662
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:00,419
information from experiencers so when

663
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:02,580
that time comes I'll hopefully have some

664
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,380
sort of a you know

665
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:07,200
it's better a decent amount of people

666
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:09,780
yeah it's hard to explain the place of

667
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:11,720
it like that's what it takes

668
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,220
spearheading it and saying I'm doing

669
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,960
this like it doesn't matter I'm not

670
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:17,220
doing it for anything other reason than

671
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:18,900
to be the one that's doing it

672
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:20,820
right I think it just takes that one

673
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,220
person it took some courage to do let me

674
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:24,960
tell you it took a while for me to get

675
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,140
on my face on camera I was I was really

676
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,480
uh anxious about it to be honest and you

677
00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:31,919
know my family has spoken about it

678
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,299
amongst ourselves throughout the years

679
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:36,000
but it was just something behind the

680
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:38,700
scenes it was never this so it's really

681
00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:40,020
neat to have

682
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:41,700
um three of us that are here that can

683
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,520
actually tell what happened we did come

684
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,679
from an aerospace background so we do

685
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:49,140
have that behind us as well but uh yeah

686
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,179
I thank you for that I'm going to take

687
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,460
that as a compliment so here here we are

688
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,840
here we are yeah

689
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,600
it's amazing TJ it took me a long time

690
00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,520
to get my face on camera too and for

691
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:02,279
very obvious reasons okay

692
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,860
um

693
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,299
I'm very jealous of the sunglasses all

694
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:08,159
the time I'm like I can do that at every

695
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:09,960
meeting because then you can't see what

696
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:12,659
where you're looking at it exactly yeah

697
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:15,779
there's this this is very purposeful

698
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:17,340
um it's not an accident

699
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:19,980
um so this is a rumor TJ and and this is

700
00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:22,980
rumor that's out there is it true that

701
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:25,700
you used elk meat to try to lure

702
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:28,919
Sasquatch onto the ranch to make a walk

703
00:26:33,970 --> 00:26:31,559
through uh just so that he would be on

704
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:33,980
camera is there any truth to that rumor

705
00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:37,860
I didn't do that no no no I I didn't um

706
00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:39,419
all right let me get on to my real

707
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,299
question then

708
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,919
yeah no go ahead please you're not

709
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:46,020
Beyond doing that though I let's it's

710
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,460
fair to say that if you thought you

711
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,960
could lure him on camera you would you

712
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,700
would do it I have so many Bigfoot

713
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,679
stories I could go into of people that I

714
00:26:58,669 --> 00:26:55,200
talk to that oh

715
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,679
oh my God Nathan turned me on to that

716
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,440
Sasquatch Chronicles uh program on

717
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:04,320
YouTube and and podcast this gentleman

718
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:08,220
has he's closing in on 900 episodes of

719
00:27:12,289 --> 00:27:10,140
first person encounters with Sasquatch

720
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,299
that absolutely floored me I didn't even

721
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,600
know that this existed yeah I I always

722
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:17,520
go back to get just get me one just get

723
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:19,380
one

724
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:21,059
I'm gonna get him on camera yeah okay

725
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,919
yeah yeah please ask your question

726
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,179
though please I don't want to be really

727
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,400
weird no no not at all

728
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,620
um uh it's a great it's like a whole

729
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,720
show we could do on on Sasquatch

730
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,820
fascinating topic and we we I actually

731
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:34,740
have a couple shows live for those of

732
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:37,140
you who out there we do have two guests

733
00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:40,260
lined up uh about Sasquatch one of them

734
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:43,559
uh being the uh former Texas uh

735
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,340
detective turn uh Bigfoot researcher uh

736
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:49,440
Rick Taylor uh has agreed to come on I

737
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:51,059
think we're gonna have him November 9th

738
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,159
he had some pretty profound experiences

739
00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:55,679
some of the most profound I've heard

740
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:58,380
um TJ so I want to get a little bit to

741
00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:59,880
some of the meat and potatoes of the

742
00:28:05,649 --> 00:28:02,220
show uh and particularly the the

743
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:05,659
drilling aspect and I'm thinking that

744
00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:09,059
you as a executive producer when that

745
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,159
was happening in real time and you're

746
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,320
reading the dailies

747
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:15,600
um and you're finding out that they're

748
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:19,260
drilling into the side of the Mesa and

749
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,659
there have and all of a sudden the drill

750
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:24,240
is sort of uh taking an angle as if

751
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:25,860
there's something blocking it in it and

752
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,720
it has to go at an angle and then

753
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,240
they're able to pull out those

754
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,419
um I guess we would call them I I don't

755
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,940
think precious metals but uh metals that

756
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:38,159
are that are not common in compounds

757
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:42,320
that had to have been uh forged

758
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:45,779
material yeah what say that again out of

759
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,600
place materials yes yes sir uh I want to

760
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,640
know what what is that one of the most

761
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:52,679
compelling things what was your reaction

762
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:55,880
when you read the dailies on that one

763
00:29:01,549 --> 00:28:59,580
I I wish that were the case

764
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:01,559
um that it was uh both of those that it

765
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:03,299
was happened by reading dailies and also

766
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:04,740
happened that to be my most compelling

767
00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:07,559
the most compelling evidence like okay I

768
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,029
I've seen so many there's listen

769
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:16,080
um things he can't tell us there's so

770
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:17,940
many things over the last five years

771
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:20,520
that were the most compelling that I I

772
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:21,720
feel like

773
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,640
will come we'll get there we'll get

774
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,799
there we'll get there uh it's like

775
00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:28,020
anything it's it's everything's timing

776
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,419
um I'm I'm always fascinated when I hear

777
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:32,580
stuff like that when I when I read about

778
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,679
that when I know that you know

779
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,960
like yeah you're hitting something like

780
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:38,039
I

781
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,659
you know your everyone's mind goes crazy

782
00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:41,100
but at the same time

783
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:44,039
you're like okay how do you explain it

784
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:45,179
away

785
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,159
um without going Fantastical group you

786
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,200
know without going to the you know the

787
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,600
therefore aliens

788
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:53,340
um and uh

789
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,520
yeah that's always a challenge but it

790
00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:57,840
there's so much compelling stuff man

791
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,340
there's just so much compelling evidence

792
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:02,580
that you know and I I don't ever claim

793
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,200
anything I've never come out and said

794
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:07,440
anything is anything it's just data and

795
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,580
it is

796
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,620
you know and like anything it's t like

797
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:12,799
anything on television it's a product

798
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,080
you're watching

799
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:17,820
if it wasn't entertaining if it wasn't

800
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:20,100
suspenseful if it wasn't like a trying

801
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:21,120
to grab your attention to keep your

802
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,380
attention

803
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,419
um then I wouldn't be doing well and so

804
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:26,340
that's the Catch-22 right you want to

805
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,500
reveal everything you and you will

806
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,200
things come they you will get there

807
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:33,419
but in doing so it's like okay you do

808
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:36,059
that and now what okay show's over and

809
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:37,620
then you then you lose out on that part

810
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,720
of it because people I feel like this

811
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,559
show

812
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:43,200
after pitching this and getting it you

813
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:44,700
know planning its flag

814
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,059
um I feel like this has kind of Set It

815
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:50,760
kind of lit the wick of all of the the

816
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,960
everything we're seeing in news

817
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:53,279
everything we're seeing on you know in

818
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,240
TV

819
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,399
all these people part of it would work

820
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:58,320
if this is really Skinwalker was the

821
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,539
spearhead of this so it was great to

822
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:01,440
know like

823
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,940
the risk that we took in the beginning

824
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:05,279
to pitch this really paid off

825
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:09,240
um that this was the the you know the

826
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:10,919
it was as big as we thought it was going

827
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:12,659
to be and and Brandon being the most

828
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,059
confident of it always was just like I

829
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:16,799
just want Total Market domination wait

830
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:20,700
yes okay yeah yeah World Market

831
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,620
domination and that's and yeah we're

832
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:24,419
getting that point and he's very you

833
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:26,940
know very open about that stuff um but

834
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,600
it's I I kind of when I uh when you see

835
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,279
people take credit for stuff or try to

836
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,080
claim like I started this I started I'm

837
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:36,059
like okay you know like that's really

838
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,380
funny like

839
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,080
Brandon had the

840
00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:42,419
the means and the forethought to kind of

841
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,299
do what he's doing and then in tracking

842
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,340
him down it's like what you're doing a

843
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,960
lot of people want to see you know that

844
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,880
initial my all my initial calls to him

845
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,080
three in the morning you know whatever

846
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,120
all these calls were like

847
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:57,240
trying to convince him that

848
00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:00,419
um there are so many people that want to

849
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:02,220
go on this journey with you but don't

850
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,440
have the resources to do it and so

851
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,720
you're acting as an avatar for them you

852
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,159
are people are just going to live

853
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:10,080
vicariously through you and you're you

854
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:11,580
have the ability to take them on a

855
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:13,020
journey that they would never otherwise

856
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:14,279
experience

857
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,899
um they just read the aftermath of it

858
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:17,460
you know you're giving them a week by

859
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:19,559
week listen I wish we could be filming

860
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:21,000
all year round

861
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:22,980
um but you know weather budgets things

862
00:32:28,510 --> 00:32:24,899
like that like you just can't Screen

863
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:28,520
Actors Guild yeah yes wow no no no no

864
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:31,860
we're not touching that don't summon

865
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,850
set things off and I wish there were I

866
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:45,480
can't wait for more of the quote-unquote

867
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:47,580
compelling evidence to be shown

868
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:49,140
um but when I see that it's it's hard

869
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:50,700
not to get excited about these things

870
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,919
but again you don't want to jump to to

871
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:54,840
conclusions you know there's

872
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:56,220
um and there's a lot of reasons for that

873
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:57,480
and a lot of them have to do with just

874
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:58,500
kind of me trying to maintain

875
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,779
objectivity throughout the whole thing

876
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:02,039
um because yes your brain you

877
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,539
immediately want to like oh my God it's

878
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:06,480
this oh my gosh this and you start

879
00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:08,039
saying those things and you get into you

880
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,100
know yourself in trouble so

881
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:13,440
TJ I just want to say as as a guy who

882
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,140
comes from an aerospace background I

883
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:18,120
found it quite compelling what I saw

884
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:20,039
this year with the helicopter with the

885
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:22,500
radar altimeter with the one point uh

886
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,559
one point uh gigahertz frequency that it

887
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,440
was broadcasting uh with what we were

888
00:33:33,649 --> 00:33:30,320
just talking about that we're finding

889
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:33,659
exotic compounds of metals inside the

890
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,399
Mesa is quite uh is quite strange that

891
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:40,919
you would find that so uh like you said

892
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:43,860
it's not necessarily indicative of like

893
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:46,260
you said of aliens but I I think there's

894
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:48,059
been quite compelling evidence which is

895
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,240
why I was texting you a lot of the

896
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:53,039
theatrical aspect of it it was for the

897
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,799
actual what they discovered and and the

898
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:57,120
strides that they made

899
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,919
yeah and I think it's great I mean those

900
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,380
guys they're you know Eric Bard awesome

901
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:03,480
you know Eric and he they're super open

902
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:06,299
about it Eric's less uh

903
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,060
I mean no both Architects are pretty

904
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:11,159
they're pretty outspoken like they say

905
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,909
be the the they keep what seek they keep

906
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:22,080
what they have to Under Wraps um but for

907
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:23,820
the most part they'll they're not trying

908
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:25,740
to there's no major Revelations they're

909
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:27,720
hiding you know no one's talking to

910
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,099
aliens no one's doing you know there's

911
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:32,399
no super secretive whatever going on

912
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,940
um you know so they uh I mean they're

913
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:37,500
yes there is super secretive stuff going

914
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,950
um

915
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:44,339
well listen no no that's just like

916
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,179
anything right that's from a

917
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,159
non-disclosure agreement on production

918
00:34:50,329 --> 00:34:48,720
side you know that's a completely

919
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,339
different thing so you know when people

920
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:53,399
say oh one you know I kind of go off on

921
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:55,080
these little little side track things

922
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:56,220
here and

923
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:57,960
um with that this this idea of keeping

924
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:59,220
the secrets right because I feel like

925
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:01,080
this is talked about a lot

926
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:03,240
um there's

927
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,660
there are um Talking Heads people who

928
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,640
claim that they have non-disclosures and

929
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:10,320
they can't reveal things and I've always

930
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,540
called BS on all of it I've never heard

931
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:15,119
anyone give me a good reason

932
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:16,500
um then there's someone like me who has

933
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:18,839
non-disclosure non-disclosure agreements

934
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:21,060
and like the crew in the cast

935
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:22,440
um who have very good reasons for that

936
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:24,960
and theirs are because if I talk I I no

937
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,900
longer get paid if I talk I can be sued

938
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:29,820
um from a show has nothing to do with

939
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,220
some figurative government non-agency

940
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,900
that nobody knows of or some Men In

941
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,000
Black coming to my house the reality is

942
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:38,339
this is a my livelihood my family lies

943
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:39,900
on this I rely on this this is not

944
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:42,060
something that I'm willing to risk by

945
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,560
saying things or you know speaking on

946
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:46,320
school TJ does that explain what

947
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,359
happened to the cow did the cow have an

948
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:50,880
NDA she via and then all of a sudden the

949
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:52,859
next thing you know all this falling out

950
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:55,400
jokes there that I can't touch right now

951
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:58,920
all right let me it still means that go

952
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:00,200
with that yes yes

953
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:03,839
the cow has evidence gonna put someone

954
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:05,820
in prison and then the cow died I knew

955
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,520
it I knew that Nathan and I we may have

956
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,800
even talked about this on private but uh

957
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:12,240
there's a lot of good questions in the

958
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,380
chat so uh Deb and uh can pick out uh

959
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:18,599
ones that that she wants to put up there

960
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:21,240
and uh money Nathan go ahead sir yeah I

961
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,260
want to come back to something that you

962
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:24,300
mentioned on the show last time you're

963
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,460
with us and it was about a question I'd

964
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,859
ask you about kind of what you think

965
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,380
might be going on in your response to

966
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:33,420
that was really intriguing it's

967
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,220
something that I've kind of it stuck

968
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:37,500
with me you said something the fact that

969
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,380
it's it's kind of calibrating our

970
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:42,480
ability to understand it that it's uh

971
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,500
it's uh influencing Us in ways to better

972
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,420
understand whatever it actually is and

973
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:50,160
and I've noticed this on the show too

974
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:51,900
just and this is probably just the way

975
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:54,180
that Productions work that you're doing

976
00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,440
these certain experiments that you

977
00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:57,540
really intended to do you do them you

978
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:59,099
reflect on whether they were successful

979
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,140
or not and then you refine them you

980
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,880
revisit some of them you you don't go

981
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:04,800
back to some of the others and so in

982
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:08,700
many ways the season it raises these you

983
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,700
know interesting questions of lines of

984
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,560
inquiry and then the follow-on season

985
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,140
tries to pursue some of those lines of

986
00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:18,599
inquiry and hopefully you get better and

987
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,520
better information so I want to come

988
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,520
back to this idea though is it uh do you

989
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:25,980
think that we're on the trail of of of

990
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:29,700
genuine Discovery and in terms of like

991
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:31,020
how it's going to shape our

992
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,140
understanding of you know reality or or

993
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:36,320
just the ranch itself

994
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,560
or are you seeing kind of a

995
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:42,240
I want I can't think of a good phrase

996
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,579
for Like A Creative Impact where you

997
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:46,079
know you people just start riffing off

998
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:47,460
of each other and just you know it's

999
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:49,079
like it's just like a mad scientist

1000
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,579
laboratory where we're just kind of

1001
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:52,079
throwing all kinds of things out there

1002
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:53,820
you know

1003
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,220
um Okay so

1004
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:58,800
look how can I answer this so I think

1005
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:01,140
the I don't think it's a mad scientist

1006
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:02,400
but I understand what you're saying the

1007
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:03,420
creativity building and that's

1008
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:05,880
definitely that's definitely happening

1009
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:07,619
um and I'm not even Perfect all those

1010
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:08,940
I'm not even in those brainstorming

1011
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:10,859
sessions or anything like that like I no

1012
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,940
idea

1013
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,440
um but I mean I know that it that

1014
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:14,880
happens

1015
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:15,780
um

1016
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:21,890
the best way to describe the what right

1017
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,339
now what I'm seeing what I'm

1018
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:25,020
understanding

1019
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:25,859
um

1020
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:28,260
so there's like a few schools of thought

1021
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,579
right that I think are the main

1022
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:31,260
narratives that people just bring up

1023
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:33,240
when they discuss this topic

1024
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:35,099
um you know Nuts and Bolts

1025
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:37,320
and Things From Another World flying or

1026
00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:39,300
really far distance traveling far

1027
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,859
distance and getting here

1028
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,660
um interdimensional is something that

1029
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,460
people talk about and then there's the

1030
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:46,320
like kind of they were here way before

1031
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:50,280
us right so those are and I'm not very

1032
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:53,579
well versed in the world of of this like

1033
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,079
the the the UFO Legends in lore

1034
00:39:01,490 --> 00:39:00,240
um you know I I know bits and pieces and

1035
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:01,500
just from research and talking with

1036
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:03,000
people about other locations and other

1037
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:04,200
you know theories and things like that

1038
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:05,339
but I don't really have a lot of the

1039
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:06,480
historical

1040
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,460
you know stories because that's all they

1041
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:10,440
are for the most part stories

1042
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,740
um but what I see happening and it's

1043
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:15,359
it may not

1044
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,920
hmm

1045
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,480
I'm trying to think of the best words to

1046
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:19,680
say it where it's not like you're giving

1047
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:21,180
something away but it's also like not a

1048
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,460
cop-out answer but the answer is that

1049
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,380
revealing itself doesn't necessarily

1050
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,380
mean it's a a thing an entity or some

1051
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,240
kind of intelligence revealing itself so

1052
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,579
if you look at it like this is so far if

1053
00:39:35,569 --> 00:39:33,839
you distilled everything that's

1054
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,579
happening on the ranch down to like last

1055
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,960
season

1056
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:38,160
um we had centers that were picking up

1057
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,500
atmospheric anomalies right I mean that

1058
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:42,180
it boils down to there's atmospheric

1059
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:43,140
anomalies happening at a certain

1060
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,579
altitude of other Ranch that are

1061
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,680
repeatable that can study that we can

1062
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:48,540
study and they produce all kinds of

1063
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,740
effects

1064
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:51,599
um those atmospheric anomalies

1065
00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:53,579
whether they have always been there or

1066
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,599
not

1067
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:56,700
um we wouldn't know if they had never

1068
00:40:02,089 --> 00:39:59,700
been studied before in this way so if if

1069
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:02,099
nothing else ever comes out of this we

1070
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:04,380
go 50 Seasons you know nothing comes out

1071
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,660
of it other than hey we now know that a

1072
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,480
mile up there's a different form of

1073
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,000
radiation or something happening um

1074
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:14,160
never studied before that's a win that

1075
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,660
pushes things forward that can be

1076
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:17,400
applied that's real signs that can be

1077
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:19,859
applied and used in other contexts right

1078
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,339
so the um the revealing itself I think

1079
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:26,160
it's just going into this I knew that

1080
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:29,339
the answers are here it's the listening

1081
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:30,839
devices and the measuring devices aren't

1082
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,420
yet and I think that the refining of

1083
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,579
these these the technology and finding

1084
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:36,960
out what works what doesn't which ones

1085
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:39,000
can you put together which ones do you

1086
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,660
need

1087
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,000
uh to do you know no longer use which

1088
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:44,460
ones are hokey which ones are real

1089
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:47,940
um once that toolkit gets kind of

1090
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,300
whittled down to like real like you know

1091
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:53,220
what the goes in that toolbox I think

1092
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,839
what you were saying about the revealing

1093
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,839
so to speak will happen even quicker

1094
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,280
um and I know that these guys are so

1095
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:00,720
smart I mean there's you know with

1096
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:02,420
Travis and Eric

1097
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,500
they're they're getting to that point

1098
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:06,540
where I think you're going to see things

1099
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:08,520
you can see like Quantum leaps like

1100
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,200
bigger jumps

1101
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,839
um as we're going forward because you're

1102
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:15,300
getting rid of what doesn't work is just

1103
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:16,680
as important as finding out what works

1104
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,119
that's right

1105
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,400
but yeah I try not to make it a cop-out

1106
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,079
answer but I'm trying to like give you

1107
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:24,839
you know my my true thoughts on on what

1108
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:27,060
it is without kind of you know I can't

1109
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:28,440
speak for other people

1110
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:30,180
um they're thinking of what their

1111
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,859
intentions are but well it's nice to see

1112
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:33,660
that in that refinement process you're

1113
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,339
getting better information right that

1114
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,260
that tells me that you're on on the

1115
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:39,540
track of Discovery right it'd be one

1116
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,700
thing if you were refining your methods

1117
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,440
and just still getting junk but it seems

1118
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,359
like every season is you're getting

1119
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:47,880
better reveals basically

1120
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:51,180
yep I mean again you've got you have I

1121
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:55,740
don't know the the government guy right

1122
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:57,960
you know that you have the guy guiding

1123
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:00,720
this so you know I always think like I

1124
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:03,000
know he knows more than he's letting on

1125
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,180
like there's always that you know I mean

1126
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:08,160
you're just being real real about it

1127
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,440
right not everyone just sits there and

1128
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:13,079
just you know runs their mouths all the

1129
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,800
time

1130
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:15,780
um so but I there's a method behind all

1131
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,300
these there's got to be you know not

1132
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:20,700
just for television because he's there's

1133
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:22,440
more to it than that

1134
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,740
so nice but before I pass it to Deb I

1135
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,119
just I kind of want to get your reaction

1136
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,520
and this is tangential to what Nathan

1137
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:32,220
just uh the question that he asked uh

1138
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:33,960
and so this is more like a declaration

1139
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,359
get your reaction to it but I I don't

1140
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,820
know that that the ranch and this is

1141
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:41,280
also kind of fits with how you answered

1142
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:44,220
him I'm not certain that that the force

1143
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,339
that's at work here that you can't and

1144
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:49,200
and this leads to you going another 10

1145
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:51,300
seasons because I don't I don't know

1146
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,220
that it can be revealed by scientific

1147
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,500
method as to its origin I don't know

1148
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:57,960
that the forces at work there will allow

1149
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:02,099
it to get to to a station in which it's

1150
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:04,859
revealed what that force is and that if

1151
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,260
science even has a way to reveal what

1152
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:08,880
that is

1153
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,160
yeah I mean it goes to that spookiness

1154
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,560
right the spooky factor that you know

1155
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:16,319
the the quantum spookiness and I think

1156
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:17,220
um

1157
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,839
there's there's something there that you

1158
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,040
just can't

1159
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,440
get an answer on and you know I think it

1160
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,240
was even even the idea of the contagion

1161
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:25,440
right they were someone was calling

1162
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:26,819
Spooky Box which I think is brilliant I

1163
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,700
think it's a super smart way like you

1164
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,859
know it sounds kind of like it sounds

1165
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:33,420
comical but it's not it's like there's

1166
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:36,300
an actual backing into a sign like a a

1167
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:39,060
science like definition where it has

1168
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:43,500
been used in in descriptions

1169
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:45,000
for

1170
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:48,359
theories like I mean just hearing the

1171
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,800
fact that you know Einstein uses this

1172
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,079
like a spooky quantum mechanics or

1173
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,520
whatever he had called it it's like okay

1174
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:56,040
well it's in that realm now so it if you

1175
00:44:00,109 --> 00:43:57,780
did if you use the if you break down the

1176
00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:00,119
word spooky and use that to Define that

1177
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:02,819
as something that you can't explain yes

1178
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:05,220
unexplained yeah something unexplained

1179
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:08,280
not saying oh spooky is like you know

1180
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:11,400
haha spooky or ghost like spooky no we

1181
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:13,500
can't explain it yet it's just we're not

1182
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,780
there and and you know the quantum

1183
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,520
entanglement that's still spooky right

1184
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,619
that's still it's for all we know it's

1185
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,660
magic I mean it's you know again quote

1186
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:23,280
unquote magic

1187
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,859
um you know so to hear that it's there's

1188
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,780
yeah I mean

1189
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,460
I I don't know how you get to that right

1190
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:30,720
how do you bridge that we still haven't

1191
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:32,280
done it like how do you bridge from that

1192
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,700
science to this unknown thing what you

1193
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:37,680
know without just therefore aliens right

1194
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,780
or therefore magic how do you get there

1195
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:41,880
like I don't know

1196
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:43,140
um but that's a great way to look at it

1197
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,900
like what you're saying you know it's

1198
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,640
man it's it's so frustrating it really

1199
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:49,200
is and it's and I feel the frustration

1200
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,960
of everyone else in the community it is

1201
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:54,720
fun it's fun it is fun um there's a

1202
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,099
serious component to it though you know

1203
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:58,680
there's there's things that happen

1204
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,400
um again they're spooky you know if you

1205
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:04,680
want to call that I I don't even know

1206
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:06,300
like that that just it loses its word

1207
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:07,800
you lose words to kind of describe these

1208
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:10,980
things so yeah a bit spooky yeah I'm

1209
00:45:15,309 --> 00:45:13,800
thinking about UFO University and all

1210
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,319
the different topics we'd have to cover

1211
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,880
including quantum physics and

1212
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:20,520
anthropology and Science and religion

1213
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,460
you know and so on and so forth but

1214
00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:25,859
um so the last dictionary for these

1215
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,500
things

1216
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:29,880
dictionary that doesn't go into the

1217
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:33,540
world of you know woo like I I can I can

1218
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:36,020
see us having a professor Nathan

1219
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:39,960
yeah yeah I can just see it much needed

1220
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,790
could you play classes in session right

1221
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:55,079
some 80s flashback just went through my

1222
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,280
head there okay

1223
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:59,280
um TJ last time you were on our show you

1224
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:01,500
were very gracious in explaining about

1225
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,260
your experiences which I later spoke to

1226
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,240
you about because I found out there was

1227
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:09,240
a term for it called Fray effect which

1228
00:46:15,970 --> 00:46:12,420
seems to be connected to hearing um

1229
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:15,980
sounds after maybe exposure to perhaps

1230
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,319
electromagnetic radiation and

1231
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:22,140
um I was just wondering rather than have

1232
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:23,819
you rehash that I was wondering if other

1233
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,560
people have come to you since the last

1234
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,900
time we've spoken since you were sharing

1235
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:30,240
that information if you've had other

1236
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,800
people come to you with similar

1237
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:33,440
experiences

1238
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,260
yes not exactly my experience

1239
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:39,119
um but yes people with hearing hearing

1240
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:40,200
things

1241
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:42,180
um I've got I people reach out to me

1242
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:44,099
pretty often

1243
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,480
um well they did right after that I

1244
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:47,460
remember I'm not not as much right now

1245
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,900
not as frequently but I still get people

1246
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,700
that talk about the hearing you know

1247
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,020
someone will like catch our old podcast

1248
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:54,000
or hear me discussing that and then

1249
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,740
they'll reach out to me like oh yes I've

1250
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,359
had this happen

1251
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:59,640
um as well and you know that's that's

1252
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,839
one of those like when it had first

1253
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,480
happened you know you your reactions are

1254
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,240
always like you know oh my God these

1255
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,920
story everything's true you know it's

1256
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:10,140
like it's all true and then you start

1257
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:12,780
once you get past that initial you know

1258
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:14,819
why am I hearing things uh and start

1259
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:16,380
looking into it you know there's there's

1260
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,839
a lot of a lot of it's explainable

1261
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,220
um I mean in my case I believe it was

1262
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:22,859
explainable uh but you know when you're

1263
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:26,099
going through it and it's not

1264
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:27,540
um when you keep hearing things in your

1265
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,160
head like you know I kept saying I hear

1266
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:31,500
music and I when I described it to

1267
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,180
people I would always say it's old timey

1268
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,040
music whatever that means you know like

1269
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,859
you know a picture like an 1800s you

1270
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:39,540
know bar with a spittoon on the floor

1271
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,160
and somebody playing a piano and there's

1272
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,480
someone with an accord that's what I'm

1273
00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:44,099
hearing in my head right

1274
00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:50,630
the song the stuff that I'm hearing and

1275
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:52,920
then thinking like okay so if you if you

1276
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:55,859
if your ears ring a lot uh you'll kind

1277
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:57,300
of put a pattern to it you'll kind of

1278
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:58,980
put something to that and I think that's

1279
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,140
what was happening just like you know

1280
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:03,960
you look at a cloud and you see a face

1281
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:06,300
um it's peridolia and so it's the same

1282
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:07,980
you know there was an audio paradolia

1283
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,140
there was a you know there's there's

1284
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:11,520
other ways to explain it and I think

1285
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:14,099
that was most likely what

1286
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:15,780
um you know what was happening or at

1287
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:16,560
least that's what I keep telling myself

1288
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,380
so I'm going with that

1289
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,380
um but yeah that's uh but there's people

1290
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:24,240
have talked to me about it and I hadn't

1291
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,859
had anyone describe it as old-timey

1292
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:27,900
music but I have had people tell me that

1293
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,640
they'll hear other things like swishing

1294
00:48:34,270 --> 00:48:32,160
and uh you know trying to think of any

1295
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:34,280
of the really interesting

1296
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,500
no there's no I don't have anyone where

1297
00:48:41,230 --> 00:48:39,540
some you know any examples of someone

1298
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,240
giving me something that was just like

1299
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:43,800
what I don't have any of those but I

1300
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:45,060
just had a lot of people saying that

1301
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:46,920
they were having audio hallucinations as

1302
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,119
well

1303
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:50,160
um that I can remember but

1304
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:51,960
yeah I wish I had a much better answer

1305
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:54,300
for you than that I'm just very

1306
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,220
interested in that aspect the the

1307
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:58,440
medical aspect so I appreciate that

1308
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:05,990
stephs yeah it is yeah it's an it's a

1309
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,339
trend among experiencers it's auditory

1310
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,760
illusion and you know it's the music is

1311
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,319
interesting for me to hear that's that's

1312
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:15,359
definitely a first but I've heard of

1313
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:18,359
buzzing uh clicking some people believe

1314
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:20,520
it's some sort of a binary type code

1315
00:49:26,170 --> 00:49:23,640
that they're receiving as a download so

1316
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:26,180
you know you're you're among like

1317
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:28,500
like-minded individuals that you know

1318
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,420
have also experienced and all of our

1319
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:32,460
heads are on straight so we're we're you

1320
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:34,619
know we're here we're we're on Earth

1321
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,680
still but uh yeah it's it's definitely a

1322
00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:39,720
trend so and that actually

1323
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:42,540
um goes into my question which since

1324
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:44,280
this as the show is developing and you

1325
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:46,260
guys are going on to New Seasons since

1326
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:49,619
the ranch has uh experienced people

1327
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:53,339
visitors your your crew have had these

1328
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:57,240
adverse reactions and such has have you

1329
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:00,839
amped up the safety protocol as far as

1330
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,300
what you know you're you're wearing is

1331
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,300
to pre to measure you know the radiation

1332
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,920
that's being produced is there anything

1333
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,839
that you guys are doing to amp up as the

1334
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:12,540
show progresses so I'm not going to be

1335
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:14,339
able to speak to any specifics on that

1336
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,660
sure but I can tell you like you'll see

1337
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,339
as the show goes on

1338
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:19,859
um but following any rules any any

1339
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:21,900
production protocols yes that has all

1340
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,680
been

1341
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,480
uh follow the covert protocols there's

1342
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:26,520
all kinds of of you know safety

1343
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:28,200
protocols now even more so than there

1344
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,180
was when we started um just because of

1345
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,460
uh covet and you know anytime something

1346
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,079
like that happens

1347
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,880
um you know there are new regulations

1348
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,200
that get put into place because you know

1349
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:38,880
well then someone can get certified in

1350
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,160
that and then they can be forced to be

1351
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,200
on your crew and then to make sure that

1352
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:45,000
you're complying and so yes there's

1353
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:46,319
money to be made there so of course

1354
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:47,819
there's more regulations

1355
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,740
um but yeah I'm not gonna be able to

1356
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:51,900
speak to any specifics um you just have

1357
00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:55,260
to watch and find out is it reveal oh

1358
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,500
darn right on okay

1359
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,300
just keep in mind yes like everyone's

1360
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:01,980
very well aware and there's you know

1361
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:05,339
sure this is no one's first rodeo right

1362
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:07,800
there's liabilities involved yeah you

1363
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:09,480
have to protect the crew and of course

1364
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:11,880
guests and all of that so yeah just kind

1365
00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:13,500
of curious as to what you guys are using

1366
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:15,060
to measure that so very cool

1367
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:17,160
[Music]

1368
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:20,520
TJ I'm gonna uh make a comment about the

1369
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,700
spiral pictograph that uh John Dover

1370
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,040
spoke about

1371
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,400
uh and how that

1372
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,200
indicates a portal in Native American

1373
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,960
culture to Star people and so forth and

1374
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:35,700
then the gentleman who came and read

1375
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:39,480
some of the uh pictographs that were on

1376
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,660
those petroglyphs out there

1377
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:44,880
um said that the snakes also are

1378
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:48,359
Guardians of the the portal which is

1379
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:51,300
really very interesting because it does

1380
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:54,839
lead into the larger phenomenon as we

1381
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:58,020
sort of focused on on this show so I'll

1382
00:52:02,650 --> 00:51:59,880
ask you

1383
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:02,660
is the ranch sort of a living metaphor

1384
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:05,099
for the entirety of the phenomenon

1385
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:07,859
itself in your opinion

1386
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:09,720
yeah that's a great question

1387
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:10,920
um

1388
00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:13,140
so okay

1389
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,819
there's so many there there's there's so

1390
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,680
many potential answers to that like Sony

1391
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,300
theories I could go into

1392
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:20,160
um give me the best one right before I

1393
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:22,740
say anything enough read I just read

1394
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:24,180
this and it was an older article that I

1395
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:25,980
had come across today

1396
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:29,280
um about the portal they're calling it a

1397
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:30,900
quote unquote portal between the Earth

1398
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:33,720
and the Sun the magnetic portal and for

1399
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:34,980
people who think this is nonsense just

1400
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:37,680
go in Google portal between Earth and

1401
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:39,720
Sun that stays open for like eight

1402
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:42,059
minutes I think it is it fluctuates

1403
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:44,099
um and and this has been just kind of

1404
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:46,619
recently discovered and I don't know if

1405
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:49,260
it's Porto of like instantaneous data

1406
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:50,819
transfer you know anything like that but

1407
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:52,500
it's a they're defining it as a portal

1408
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,380
because it's uh it's almost like where

1409
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,119
the solar winds are able to kind of go

1410
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:00,119
uh unabated from the Sun to the Earth

1411
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:02,460
and

1412
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,059
I think that the there's just so many

1413
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,859
perfect

1414
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:09,359
uh

1415
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:12,960
Geographic anomalies at that place at

1416
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:15,140
the ranch like there's just so many

1417
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,119
I'd be surprised if it wasn't if it

1418
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,160
wasn't a portal if it wasn't

1419
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,079
um and right when the portal use it

1420
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,540
Loosely right I mean it's in my the way

1421
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,579
I'm defining portal is it's a place

1422
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:28,740
where they're um where you have some

1423
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,940
kind of anomalous magnetic ions whatever

1424
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,559
insert science term here

1425
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,480
thing converging and happening that

1426
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:38,700
doesn't happen everywhere else

1427
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:40,200
um that I guess that was how I would

1428
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,540
Define portal I don't know again of like

1429
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:44,160
opening gates to other demands I don't

1430
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:45,540
know anything about any of that like I

1431
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:47,819
can't say that is but if you're in tune

1432
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,740
with something that was able to be

1433
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:51,720
measured in the past but we no longer

1434
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:53,220
know how to measure it

1435
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:54,359
and

1436
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:56,099
we're getting closer to learning how to

1437
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,920
measure it then that yeah that would

1438
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,960
make sense that Skinwalker amongst other

1439
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:02,520
places is

1440
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:05,760
is that portal is a space for that

1441
00:54:07,849 --> 00:54:06,900
um because you're picking up things that

1442
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,859
are happening there that don't happen

1443
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:10,440
everywhere else so I mean if that's how

1444
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:12,059
I can Define portal in a way that you

1445
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:13,980
know kind of keeps it in the realm away

1446
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:16,740
from the woo but also in a way that is

1447
00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:19,559
makes sense and fits and it fits all of

1448
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,000
the logic and fits all the theories that

1449
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,800
people have what we're measuring who

1450
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,079
knows but it's a portal of something I

1451
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:26,880
mean if portal is

1452
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:28,859
convergence of things happening that we

1453
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:31,140
have not been able to measure yet

1454
00:54:36,049 --> 00:54:34,140
um yeah and it is it's just it's I don't

1455
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:36,059
know going there was you know awesome

1456
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:38,520
great experiences every time loved going

1457
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:39,900
out there but I'll never go again I'm

1458
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,940
all good I'm all set to go

1459
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,200
um maybe it's just I don't react well

1460
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:46,319
with with this you know okay

1461
00:54:49,849 --> 00:54:48,420
when pitching this the networks did not

1462
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,859
like the word portal they didn't like

1463
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,599
the word vortex they didn't like any of

1464
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:53,339
that we had to cut it out of all of our

1465
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,319
all of our pitch stuff

1466
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:57,599
um there any of the documents any of the

1467
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:01,020
any of the the the the uh presentation

1468
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,400
reel anything that we shot we couldn't

1469
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,839
use those words

1470
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:05,520
um and now to hear you guys saying it

1471
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:07,619
it's like we knew that it was gonna be

1472
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,660
the accepted term portal but you didn't

1473
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:11,700
hear that on TV other than like shows

1474
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,460
where people Dr Taylor yeah Dr Taylor

1475
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:16,800
said it no prior I'm talking about prior

1476
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,800
to the show oh yeah yeah like you didn't

1477
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:21,839
hear the word portal used without like

1478
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:25,140
portal like a giggle right and that was

1479
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,940
what the Network's interpretation of

1480
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:28,559
that was like you can't use those terms

1481
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,839
and now it's been normalized but I don't

1482
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:32,700
think it's been defined and that's the

1483
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:35,700
problem where people still put that you

1484
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:37,740
know that like laugh about it in their

1485
00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:38,819
head but

1486
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,500
find a way to define it in a way that

1487
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:41,760
makes sense

1488
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,760
in in in a way that can evolve to like

1489
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:46,619
oh yeah I'm not saying that all of a

1490
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,640
sudden someone's just going to appear

1491
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,160
here no it's a you know right now we're

1492
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,500
calling this this is a portal oh that

1493
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,760
can change that can be defined as

1494
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:55,200
something else

1495
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,579
um once we figure out oh you know what

1496
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,440
that portal is really interest

1497
00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:00,720
scientific term here now let's figure

1498
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,740
out what these other things we're

1499
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:03,359
measuring out or that this is now this

1500
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:05,339
is what we're calling a portal well okay

1501
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,280
let's get to let's figure what that is

1502
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:10,440
um but I think there's something it's

1503
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:12,359
something's happening out there that we

1504
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:13,079
just

1505
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:14,400
you know we'll get to it we'll get to

1506
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,780
the bottom of it give us enough time

1507
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:17,400
we'll get to the bottom of it

1508
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:19,859
so the closest accepted term was porto

1509
00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:21,240
potty and those go all the way back to

1510
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:23,819
Woodstock oh man that would TR you would

1511
00:56:27,049 --> 00:56:25,319
transfer them into a dimension where you

1512
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:27,059
can go to the bathroom which very

1513
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:29,400
helpful when you're a crowd of 450 000.

1514
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:36,950
yes I was there I was a video game

1515
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,839
designer for Ubisoft at the time in 99

1516
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,520
yeah

1517
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,400
sorry TJ you were not there there's only

1518
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:46,680
one and it was in 69. don't talk about

1519
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,900
that 99 stuff

1520
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,950
my goodness

1521
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:57,230
when you talk about when you when you

1522
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,099
bring a porta potty in Woodstock you

1523
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:01,980
can't not take about 99. yeah it was

1524
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:03,240
very it was a very real experience for

1525
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:06,119
him DJ yeah very very very well I'm

1526
00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:08,339
sorry man I'm sorry TJ I don't mean to

1527
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:14,990
you wish you never did like if I if I

1528
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:22,790
it wasn't the number one Woodstock it

1529
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:29,630
Nathan what a great metaphor you just

1530
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:32,940
said in so many ways it works at so many

1531
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,740
levels like football is growing it works

1532
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:36,540
on so many levels incredible I just want

1533
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:38,339
to say granola was discovered at the

1534
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,500
first Woodstock at 69. that's the story

1535
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:42,720
unto itself I'll tell you on private net

1536
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:45,720
TJ go ahead she's incredible all right

1537
00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:48,180
so I'll take a slightly more serious

1538
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:51,059
turn from from here uh so you may be

1539
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:53,160
familiar recently um

1540
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:56,760
Bryce is able who uh produced uh Dark

1541
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:58,980
Skies many many years ago he and Ross

1542
00:58:02,210 --> 00:58:01,020
coltard have a a podcast they do

1543
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:02,220
together and they're doing like some

1544
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,059
video stuff as well and they were kind

1545
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,400
of recounting a situation that Bryce

1546
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:11,280
experienced or some of his uh I don't

1547
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:12,540
know if their producers experience but

1548
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,559
they had someone that arrived uh to a

1549
00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:19,200
pre-show party or something and started

1550
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,339
talking to them about how they had

1551
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,319
already seen the first episode of the

1552
00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:24,420
show and you know to Bryce this was a

1553
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:26,099
little bit strange because nobody had

1554
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:28,920
really seen it the pilot yet and this

1555
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:30,540
person had sort of talked about all this

1556
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:31,800
kind of stuff it was a mysterious person

1557
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:33,480
let's put it that way

1558
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,920
um and then we've also heard a lot of

1559
00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:38,160
talk about how the government has uh at

1560
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:39,299
least a little bit of relationship with

1561
00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:40,980
Hollywood right because of the way that

1562
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,619
uh you know some movies you know are

1563
00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:45,839
shot on on scene and showing government

1564
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:47,880
facilities or they might loan some

1565
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,099
government equipment uh has that has

1566
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,079
anyone from the government ever uh

1567
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:53,760
connected with Skinwalker Ranch I'm not

1568
00:58:57,650 --> 00:58:55,559
talking about Travis Taylor but is

1569
00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:57,660
anyone consulted on the show or or

1570
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:59,819
approached the show about a consultation

1571
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:02,040
or have you heard of anyone not on this

1572
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,720
show but other shows where they've had

1573
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:05,520
that kind of interaction with a

1574
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:11,030
can you tell me the first part of that

1575
00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:13,380
story did you you said something an

1576
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,859
episode released yes Nathan Nathan you

1577
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,720
want me to get this out real real quick

1578
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,940
sure go for it basically they were

1579
00:59:25,930 --> 00:59:23,599
having I they were having a party

1580
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:25,940
yeah okay

1581
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,380
producer like yourself and they're

1582
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:30,720
having a party and they had not released

1583
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,819
the show yet and a government individual

1584
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,520
turned up at the uh at the like they

1585
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:37,680
were having like a pre-release party or

1586
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:40,559
end of the shoot a rap party and uh this

1587
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:42,059
guy turns up and says oh yeah I really

1588
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,559
like what you guys did

1589
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:46,380
and he's like well how did you see it we

1590
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,520
haven't you know we haven't shown

1591
00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:49,440
anything to the public yet and then he

1592
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,540
goes about in on a napkin and he starts

1593
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:53,520
sketching out the secrets of the

1594
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:55,799
universe or or a piece of paper and

1595
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:58,920
absolutely blew the minds of uh Bryce

1596
01:00:03,770 --> 01:00:01,380
Abel and the other uh his partner in the

1597
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:03,780
in the production so uh I can send you

1598
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:05,579
that episode so you can hear it but it's

1599
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,559
it's it's fascinating

1600
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:09,440
so that's not

1601
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:13,020
oh so have you had that that sort of

1602
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:15,059
intervention in your in your production

1603
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:16,740
or something similarly weird like that

1604
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,799
right yeah yeah I have yes we have

1605
01:00:23,569 --> 01:00:21,119
um

1606
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:23,579
that is that I I'm familiar with that

1607
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:27,000
almost exact scenario

1608
01:00:30,349 --> 01:00:28,440
um that's why I've never heard I've

1609
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,359
never heard anybody say that to me

1610
01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:32,640
before because I've had that happen

1611
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:34,020
um

1612
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:35,400
yeah

1613
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,380
uh

1614
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:38,880
I don't know government though see

1615
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:40,980
that's and that was a little bit they

1616
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:42,420
weren't quite sure about that either but

1617
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:44,040
it was someone that seemed to have

1618
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:46,260
knowledge of their production

1619
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:49,260
who otherwise shouldn't have had that

1620
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:52,680
knowledge yeah I've had that happen

1621
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:54,680
um to the point where

1622
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,180
yeah like it's caused problems there's

1623
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,760
been problems caused from from that

1624
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:01,200
exact thing about

1625
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:03,420
around this topic

1626
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:06,180
um that that halted a project at one

1627
01:01:07,789 --> 01:01:07,079
point

1628
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:07,799
um

1629
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,319
to cause problems on on others I can't

1630
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:13,440
yeah I I

1631
01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:15,299
don't know what it is I don't know who

1632
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:16,380
it is

1633
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,700
um or how

1634
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,640
uh but it's it's the tap it and I'm sure

1635
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:22,079
I'm not the only one that that has

1636
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:23,700
happened to

1637
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:27,359
um my theory is always that because I

1638
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:29,880
try to put like logic like without going

1639
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,460
into that realm that somebody who works

1640
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:34,079
at one of the hosting companies that

1641
01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:36,180
houses videos is watching and found some

1642
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:38,099
really cool stuff and decided to share

1643
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,020
it to some people that's how I look at

1644
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,760
it like somebody goes behind firewalls

1645
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:43,440
and goes behind closed accounts and

1646
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,000
shares stuff

1647
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:46,799
um I'm this is what I I feel has

1648
01:01:49,609 --> 01:01:47,819
happened

1649
01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:49,619
um and whether it's malicious or not

1650
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:51,180
whether it's just somebody like who

1651
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,220
finds something really cool and like oh

1652
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:55,200
my God I gotta share this

1653
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:57,420
um I don't know uh but that's just

1654
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,980
interesting that that I've never heard

1655
01:02:01,609 --> 01:02:00,000
that it's happened someone else before

1656
01:02:04,250 --> 01:02:01,619
yeah I mean I've had an experience like

1657
01:02:06,530 --> 01:02:04,260
that that caused some issues

1658
01:02:08,569 --> 01:02:06,540
um that's kind of crazy actually we've

1659
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:08,579
got to put you and Bryce and we'll you

1660
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,260
know we don't have a connection to Bryce

1661
01:02:14,770 --> 01:02:11,760
you've got to see this story and it's

1662
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:14,780
not just that one because uh in another

1663
01:02:23,170 --> 01:02:18,059
meeting of some kind some I think two

1664
01:02:26,049 --> 01:02:23,180
men showed up to his office and

1665
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:26,059
I've had

1666
01:02:31,150 --> 01:02:28,260
this whole journey yeah the beginning of

1667
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:31,160
this like it we've had stuff where I I I

1668
01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:33,000
my neighbors would come out and take

1669
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:34,500
photos of these Sprinter van parked in

1670
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:35,520
front of my house and they called the

1671
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,660
sac that would just be sitting there

1672
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:38,400
empty for days

1673
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:40,440
um that no one would call like I've had

1674
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,780
a lot of that happen

1675
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:44,220
um where I felt like we were being

1676
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:45,780
watched for a long time not just felt

1677
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:47,579
like we knew we were being watched for a

1678
01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,640
while this is you're going back 2016

1679
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:52,200
2017 time right before all this started

1680
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:54,119
you start poking around and talking to

1681
01:03:03,530 --> 01:02:55,619
people

1682
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:03,540
what you're what you were trying to do

1683
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:04,859
um and I think then then when people

1684
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,180
find out what it is you're looking at

1685
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:07,680
then people kind of like Get interested

1686
01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:08,460
in

1687
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:13,740
to government Men In Black I don't know

1688
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:15,000
um but you know there's other people

1689
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:17,040
like Brandon in the world that are also

1690
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:18,660
interested in this topic that have

1691
01:03:22,609 --> 01:03:20,819
resources to say hey where is this guy

1692
01:03:24,289 --> 01:03:22,619
looking into man no one's trying to hurt

1693
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:24,299
me no one's trying to you know nothing

1694
01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:26,760
like that I mean it's it's just

1695
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,740
it's uncomfortable to know that yeah you

1696
01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:30,720
know you're there's things in front of

1697
01:03:35,089 --> 01:03:32,099
your house there's

1698
01:03:36,829 --> 01:03:35,099
you know uh why is my phone clicking you

1699
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:36,839
know then you get the paranoid like why

1700
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,280
is this happening okay is there

1701
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:39,599
something is it not something I don't

1702
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:40,680
know

1703
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:48,660
people knock on my door or people

1704
01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:50,099
showing up asking me questions or trying

1705
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:51,480
to take me away or anything like that so

1706
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,720
I got that going for me that's good to

1707
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:56,640
put into context he was trying they were

1708
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:58,740
doing fiction but their fiction was

1709
01:04:02,809 --> 01:04:00,660
getting what they I think the the second

1710
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:02,819
meeting Nathan was alluding to they came

1711
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:05,640
and said you know you're really close uh

1712
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:07,500
or you're right on the money on some of

1713
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:09,420
these and a couple of these if you

1714
01:04:14,089 --> 01:04:12,359
massage it a little so uh uh they were

1715
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:14,099
cut basically telling them that they the

1716
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,780
fiction that they were producing was

1717
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,000
very close to real events and the second

1718
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:21,180
part I think between Nathan Deb's Steph

1719
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:22,920
and myself

1720
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,260
um if anybody could chime in what was on

1721
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:27,359
that paper that he that he drew at the

1722
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,900
cocktail party it was some we didn't

1723
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:32,640
actually see what it was some kind of

1724
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,500
formula and when I when they asked this

1725
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:37,200
guy what it meant he said something like

1726
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:40,079
the secret of the universe sound uh

1727
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,760
light and frequency something like that

1728
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,920
yeah exactly it was sound latent

1729
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:45,839
frequency which is the same thing that

1730
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,160
we've heard some other interesting

1731
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:50,160
people mention any in fact he said uh

1732
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:53,099
take this napkin and look come back and

1733
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:56,160
look at it like look at it again in I

1734
01:04:59,930 --> 01:04:57,780
don't know 20 years or something it was

1735
01:05:02,030 --> 01:04:59,940
some weird you know a lot of these weird

1736
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:02,040
elements around the meeting

1737
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:04,380
symbols too right there were symbols on

1738
01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:06,780
there that they think were on the side

1739
01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:09,960
of uh like for example that craft in in

1740
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:13,500
Socorro that they had uh recorded what

1741
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:15,480
what what some of the symbols were that

1742
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:17,700
the police officer Drew after that craft

1743
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,200
took well yeah I'm familiar with that

1744
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:22,140
kid yeah so anyway stuff if some stuff

1745
01:05:25,089 --> 01:05:23,819
like that along with these equations and

1746
01:05:27,289 --> 01:05:25,099
blah blah is

1747
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,299
because nobody ever contacts me about

1748
01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:29,359
that stuff

1749
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:31,859
we'll make sure you get that episode to

1750
01:05:35,809 --> 01:05:34,079
hear it from Bryce's mouth since he's

1751
01:05:37,789 --> 01:05:35,819
sort of a colleague of yours I got yeah

1752
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,799
I'd like to hear that I just uh okay

1753
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:39,599
yeah and I use this like again I always

1754
01:05:43,970 --> 01:05:42,059
use these platforms like I try if people

1755
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:43,980
have things that's why I make myself so

1756
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:46,380
accessible you know I I think the next

1757
01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:48,780
phase in all of this is a physical piece

1758
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:50,099
of something some kind of physical

1759
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,900
evidence yet

1760
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,240
everybody and nobody has one everyone

1761
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:56,220
talks about them but nobody has one to

1762
01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:57,000
share

1763
01:06:02,349 --> 01:05:59,640
um anytime I've ever made strides in

1764
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:02,359
acquiring one or you know

1765
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:05,339
finding a way to study one oh I can't oh

1766
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,500
I'm afraid oh I'm uh and it might you

1767
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:09,119
know I get it but a lot of times I'm

1768
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:16,250
sorry New York comes out baby it does it

1769
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:17,940
does you know the people who have

1770
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:20,640
secrets don't talk about it right the

1771
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,740
ones who talk and pretend they then say

1772
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:24,720
I know things

1773
01:06:29,329 --> 01:06:26,819
they usually don't

1774
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,339
um or I have secret they don't and if

1775
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:31,440
they do it's some you know it's some TV

1776
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,299
guy like me who's like Hey listen it's

1777
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,039
my job I'm not going to tell you what I

1778
01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:36,960
know because I don't want to lose my job

1779
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:39,420
um but it's not like there's no I'm not

1780
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,220
talking to you know not communicating

1781
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:42,960
with alien species or something I'm

1782
01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:45,059
trying to make television shows

1783
01:06:49,069 --> 01:06:46,619
um and that's my business you know what

1784
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,079
I'm doing it's not uh you know it's not

1785
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:50,640
helping anyone in the greater context of

1786
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,420
things

1787
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:53,400
um but I would love if love for some

1788
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:55,140
people to come like these are great

1789
01:06:58,370 --> 01:06:56,280
stories

1790
01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:58,380
I I like hearing them from credible

1791
01:07:02,450 --> 01:07:00,900
people like someone who has something on

1792
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,460
news like someone like a producer or

1793
01:07:06,770 --> 01:07:04,319
something like that um that'd be great

1794
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:06,780
but to to have evidence of it would be

1795
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:09,420
even better like enough of the talk it's

1796
01:07:13,609 --> 01:07:12,119
time to it's like we're at the point now

1797
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,619
put up or shut up like it's let's see

1798
01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:14,640
things

1799
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:15,900
you know

1800
01:07:20,270 --> 01:07:17,880
all right this is the last round so uh

1801
01:07:21,710 --> 01:07:20,280
Deb and Steph are going to get there get

1802
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:21,720
their chance can I go we're gonna get

1803
01:07:26,809 --> 01:07:24,420
you out of here really fun yeah really

1804
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:26,819
fast okay because it just piggybacks

1805
01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:28,859
right off of that well I'm wondering if

1806
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:30,660
some of these symbols that were shown

1807
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,579
and thank you Deb for being so gracious

1808
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,680
there if some of these symbols that are

1809
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,920
shown correlate to these holographic

1810
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:39,720
images that are being displayed amongst

1811
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,960
on these mesas and if you guys are

1812
01:07:48,529 --> 01:07:45,359
documenting these shapes do they

1813
01:07:50,750 --> 01:07:48,539
correlate to some sort of language you

1814
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:50,760
know I I would find that interesting to

1815
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:53,400
see if if somebody is taking track of

1816
01:07:58,250 --> 01:07:55,619
you know these shapes that could be a

1817
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,260
form of of communication

1818
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,000
yeah I mean

1819
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:02,339
oh there's so much there

1820
01:08:06,829 --> 01:08:04,020
um I kind of like kind of like the crop

1821
01:08:09,049 --> 01:08:06,839
circle no the crop circle uh definitions

1822
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:09,059
or the crop circle photos and is there

1823
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:10,380
something there I don't know I feel like

1824
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:11,280
again

1825
01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:13,740
collecting enough data there will be

1826
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:16,199
there there will be a way to use you

1827
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,540
know data science uh to run an algorithm

1828
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:20,400
on this to do something to kind of

1829
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:21,960
determine whether there is some kind of

1830
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:24,540
signal in that in that noise uh right

1831
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:26,699
instead of just collecting more and and

1832
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:28,380
on that I'll really quick like there's a

1833
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:31,759
uh an app right now that what's the memo

1834
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:35,940
that the uh after the Roswell crash

1835
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:37,799
there was the guy kneeling down holding

1836
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:41,279
the memo in front of all the the debris

1837
01:08:43,849 --> 01:08:42,239
do you know what I'm talking about

1838
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,859
that's a famous picture

1839
01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:46,140
we need Jeb yeah the one that they're

1840
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:48,540
trying to find out what it said and they

1841
01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:50,219
still haven't been able to completely

1842
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,719
decipher it I know what you're talking

1843
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:53,759
about yeah whatever that ring ringing

1844
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,279
the Rainy memo I think it's called Remy

1845
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:57,920
a thing

1846
01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:01,380
got it the Black full Originals reminds

1847
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,380
us yes it was the Ramey menu memo the

1848
01:09:10,669 --> 01:09:08,400
menu I'll take numbers I'm sorry

1849
01:09:13,010 --> 01:09:10,679
um so there's there are machine learning

1850
01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:13,020
uh tools this is all open source stuff

1851
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,339
and it's written in Python all these

1852
01:09:18,050 --> 01:09:16,080
things written in Python and there um

1853
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,060
there was one that was written by I want

1854
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:20,400
to say it's the like like um is the

1855
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,540
European uh architecture or uh agency

1856
01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:26,880
that does archeology

1857
01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:29,699
and they did it to they created this

1858
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:31,380
machine learning algorithm that will

1859
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,100
decipher and read broken tablets and

1860
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:36,960
with only partial text right so you have

1861
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,339
a tablet and like say like part of it's

1862
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:40,319
cut off they'd be able to read the part

1863
01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:43,020
that still exists and then impute what

1864
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:44,819
the rest of it says

1865
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,500
um based on that

1866
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:49,380
um I I'm like okay so

1867
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:52,259
that right there there's free tools you

1868
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,020
have a data set you have a problem to

1869
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:57,600
solve this is the disappointing part so

1870
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:58,620
this has been like eight months I've

1871
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:59,699
been saying this until I'm gonna

1872
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:01,080
eventually just do it myself if nobody

1873
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,000
else does it but it's like I'm trying to

1874
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:05,280
give I'm giving breadcrumbs for like

1875
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:07,080
months of people listen if you want to

1876
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:09,060
do something and contribute to push this

1877
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:13,199
forward in a meaningful way do that go

1878
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:15,840
watch some tutorials and do it and you'd

1879
01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:18,060
be the first to home I got I decoded the

1880
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:20,040
like do that instead of talking about

1881
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:21,540
what you think it is or what you think

1882
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:23,640
it says or what it might no there's

1883
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:25,320
tools and this is one of the big

1884
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,060
frustrations I have with this group of

1885
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:29,040
like this community like a lot of talk

1886
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:32,520
little do like go do things you know

1887
01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:34,440
it's um there's another one go if

1888
01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:36,300
somebody please just go do it right go

1889
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:38,040
do it I'll talk to you we'll we'll

1890
01:10:41,810 --> 01:10:40,020
figure out how to find a way to you know

1891
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:41,820
get this into something

1892
01:10:45,649 --> 01:10:44,219
um if I can do that but I I don't want

1893
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:45,659
to be the one to do it I feel like this

1894
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,400
is not my wheelhouse right I don't have

1895
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:49,199
enough of the historical knowledge and

1896
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,420
number for the you know the domain

1897
01:10:56,570 --> 01:10:54,420
expertise in that World

1898
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,580
um there are plenty of people who do and

1899
01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:58,260
they have passion but I think it's just

1900
01:11:02,570 --> 01:10:59,940
misguided like use it for something that

1901
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:02,580
you can push forward so on that like

1902
01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:04,440
that's I mean thanks for the segue on

1903
01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:07,820
that I appreciate that Amen to that

1904
01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:09,780
Amen to that

1905
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:10,980
go ahead Deb

1906
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,460
okay so first of all I just have to let

1907
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,560
you guys know this really good tip is in

1908
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:18,360
the chat about how to find out if

1909
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:21,300
someone's undercover and Kurt M said

1910
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:24,360
look at the tires because they'll use a

1911
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:27,719
banged up vehicle and some uh fancy new

1912
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,760
tires on it so that's a good tip so um

1913
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:35,520
okay so I guess my question goes back to

1914
01:11:39,229 --> 01:11:37,020
something that was said earlier about

1915
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,239
some of the players in this and we know

1916
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,520
a lot of them have money and one of them

1917
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:43,920
used to own Skinwalker Ranch and

1918
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:46,260
recently it was revealed the possibility

1919
01:11:51,169 --> 01:11:48,360
that he's not giving information to

1920
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,179
Brandon and fugel because he doesn't

1921
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,060
want people to be scared apparently he

1922
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:56,159
told James Fox that he doesn't want

1923
01:11:59,209 --> 01:11:57,600
people to be scared and they did

1924
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,219
research and found people would be

1925
01:12:02,689 --> 01:12:01,440
scared what do you think about that do

1926
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,699
you think that's true that he's still

1927
01:12:06,350 --> 01:12:04,800
not cooperative and have you heard

1928
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:06,360
rumors of that

1929
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:09,060
well I've been trying to connect with

1930
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,460
him for three years and he will not

1931
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:13,440
respond

1932
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:14,280
um

1933
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,960
so for somebody else to say that they're

1934
01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:17,520
communicating with them and he's giving

1935
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:19,320
the like

1936
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:21,780
he's the type of person that would say

1937
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:23,880
that and not need a mouthpiece to say

1938
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:24,840
that

1939
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,100
so

1940
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,380
he he's never going to shy away from

1941
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:30,000
publicity

1942
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:32,040
um and he's not one to say to shy away

1943
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,500
from saying controversial things so

1944
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,199
I would love to see him saying that as

1945
01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:39,360
opposed to somebody saying that he told

1946
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:42,120
me that and I'm using it like let's let

1947
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:43,380
me hear from his mouth I mean he started

1948
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:44,400
on 60 Minutes like yeah they're right

1949
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:46,199
under our noses you know like why why

1950
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:48,840
would he not say you know go back on or

1951
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:51,540
or he has a Twitter account

1952
01:12:54,770 --> 01:12:53,159
um he has all the ability to say this

1953
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:54,780
stuff on his own that again these are

1954
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,280
the things that just they they irk me

1955
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:58,080
and it's like

1956
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,080
if the gatekeeper of the information is

1957
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,159
the one that's profiting from the

1958
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,320
information

1959
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,440
that's usually a problem right like if

1960
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,360
you're saying I have a secret and I

1961
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,280
gotta there you know I'm gonna share it

1962
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:13,679
when I'm ready to share it okay online

1963
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,739
great so okay well the guy can just

1964
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,239
share it himself what's he need you for

1965
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:21,000
like you're not doing anything else

1966
01:13:25,070 --> 01:13:23,640
you're just acting as like a mouthpiece

1967
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,080
it's not like you're the one doing the

1968
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:28,080
research and revealing it on your time

1969
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:30,060
um you're just relaying info so why

1970
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:32,460
wouldn't you just relay it on his own

1971
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:34,199
um and if I can't reach them if someone

1972
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:35,159
can reach it for a comment great

1973
01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:37,320
somebody else reach them and say hey Mr

1974
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:39,659
Mr B would you just is this what you

1975
01:13:45,410 --> 01:13:42,060
said yes or no like record them I'm sure

1976
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:45,420
he'll be more than happy to do it

1977
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:47,880
um I just you know I I always get

1978
01:13:50,810 --> 01:13:49,260
skeptical and like maybe that's a game

1979
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:50,820
of telephone maybe that really didn't

1980
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:53,280
happen that way I don't know

1981
01:13:59,649 --> 01:13:55,800
um I'm not really familiar with the you

1982
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:02,689
because he made so many people sign ndas

1983
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,860
and he's it's very difficult to get

1984
01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:06,480
information from him

1985
01:14:10,270 --> 01:14:07,739
yeah

1986
01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:10,280
like

1987
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:14,360
hey doggy what's up

1988
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:17,100
when that when that Air Force cop Chris

1989
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:20,520
Bartell said that he started off at the

1990
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,940
ranch with just two individuals which I

1991
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:25,679
mean that's very marginal safety to be

1992
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,239
able to cover that kind of property with

1993
01:14:31,689 --> 01:14:29,280
two individuals and then he said that he

1994
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:31,699
was deploying up to the ranch by himself

1995
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:35,520
like that is the most unsafe situation

1996
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:38,100
you could put somebody in like that is a

1997
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:41,520
com so for me to Bigelow that is a

1998
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,580
complete disregard for safety for Chris

1999
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:46,920
bartel's safety he could have perished

2000
01:14:52,130 --> 01:14:48,540
on that ranch and nobody would know it

2001
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:52,140
for quite a period of time

2002
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:53,400
that

2003
01:14:57,950 --> 01:14:56,340
I I appreciate you please continue on

2004
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:57,960
that while this is still going on for a

2005
01:15:05,149 --> 01:15:02,750
I agree with you 100

2006
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:05,159
I think that that's

2007
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,020
very irresponsible

2008
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:08,880
I agree

2009
01:15:13,130 --> 01:15:10,980
I hate to say this but when you have an

2010
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:13,140
aerospace company it does look awfully

2011
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,000
suspicious when you're also the person

2012
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,219
not revealing the information after

2013
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:19,800
years of study on the ranch

2014
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,960
yeah again are these people so the

2015
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:24,060
people that um and again it's just my

2016
01:15:27,169 --> 01:15:25,320
lack of knowledge right I just don't

2017
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:27,179
know all the ins and outs of these of

2018
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:28,620
all of these stories but

2019
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:31,080
if the former employees there and they

2020
01:15:35,149 --> 01:15:32,880
are former employees from what I

2021
01:15:38,209 --> 01:15:35,159
understand right and they have ndas what

2022
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:38,219
what are they what I I'm not quite sure

2023
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:39,900
like unless he's paying the pensions

2024
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:42,780
unless what like what's the

2025
01:15:47,209 --> 01:15:44,760
what's the fear of the NDA what are

2026
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:47,219
these mysterious ndas all the time

2027
01:15:50,450 --> 01:15:48,719
um I don't know what the repercussions

2028
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:50,460
of those things could be

2029
01:15:53,689 --> 01:15:52,320
um you know you're you're you've been

2030
01:15:55,130 --> 01:15:53,699
you haven't been with a company in 10 15

2031
01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:55,140
years people have moved on with their

2032
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:57,239
lives things are happening

2033
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:58,679
um but you have some piece of

2034
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:01,260
information that you you know you talked

2035
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:03,480
about 15 years ago that you could lose

2036
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:04,620
your job about but you don't have the

2037
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:06,900
job anymore so now what it's it's pretty

2038
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,659
full exposure it's exposure to a civil

2039
01:16:13,490 --> 01:16:11,760
lawsuit is probably what but you know

2040
01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:13,500
what we'll try to get Chris Bartel on

2041
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:15,960
here and we can ask him about that but

2042
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:18,060
I'm sure he probably thinks that he he's

2043
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,820
exposed If he if he did I'm I'm just

2044
01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:22,560
assuming I don't I've never spoken with

2045
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:24,840
him but I'll see if we can get him on

2046
01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:26,100
here yeah I mean I would love those

2047
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:28,020
answers and that's just and I'm not I'm

2048
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:29,699
not calling people Liars or anything

2049
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:31,080
like that I'm just saying I don't know

2050
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:34,260
what it could be I'm just it just seems

2051
01:16:38,570 --> 01:16:36,900
like such a an easy thing to hide behind

2052
01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:38,580
like I feel like that's always the

2053
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:40,500
reason why nobody talks like oh it's an

2054
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:43,320
NDA okay I signed plenty of ndas that

2055
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,600
after a certain period of time yeah it's

2056
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,520
not an NDA anymore like you can the

2057
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:48,960
company that you're signing was dead and

2058
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:50,520
gone you know they've dissolved so now

2059
01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:51,719
what

2060
01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:53,400
um you know I just feel like that's just

2061
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:56,340
the strange you know catch-all for all

2062
01:17:00,770 --> 01:16:58,679
things related to this topic uh it's

2063
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:00,780
very frustrating and again I've talked

2064
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:02,580
to literally hundreds if not thousands

2065
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:05,100
of people over the years like trying to

2066
01:17:09,729 --> 01:17:07,500
find these you know find you know Talent

2067
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,739
OR find stories and ideas and and

2068
01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:12,239
potentials are what I call them

2069
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:15,239
um you know and I hear this just too

2070
01:17:17,870 --> 01:17:16,739
often and no one ever has an answer for

2071
01:17:21,649 --> 01:17:17,880
that

2072
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,659
open about like here's my reasoning why

2073
01:17:25,790 --> 01:17:23,760
I don't say anything because this is my

2074
01:17:27,470 --> 01:17:25,800
livelihood like I have no intentions of

2075
01:17:29,209 --> 01:17:27,480
destroying that

2076
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:29,219
um but if you're not doing that if

2077
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:31,380
you're just some guy online

2078
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:33,960
who you know has a a job that has

2079
01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:35,100
nothing to do with any of this but you

2080
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:36,659
know stuff because it needs you're under

2081
01:17:41,689 --> 01:17:39,060
an NDA from 15 20 years ago it just

2082
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,699
doesn't the logic isn't doesn't doesn't

2083
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,440
match

2084
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:45,600
I don't know I really don't know I wish

2085
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:48,000
I it's a source of frustration for me

2086
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:51,840
when in this in this realm in particular

2087
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:53,340
so

2088
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:55,380
yeah good times

2089
01:17:57,970 --> 01:17:56,880
all right brother

2090
01:18:00,110 --> 01:17:57,980
um

2091
01:18:01,550 --> 01:18:00,120
it's one of those like you could just go

2092
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:01,560
in circles with this right it's a

2093
01:18:04,669 --> 01:18:02,820
constant thing that everyone just uses

2094
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,679
like I feel like Nathan gets that like I

2095
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:06,480
feel like you you know

2096
01:18:11,090 --> 01:18:09,179
people see this is what happens uh I I I

2097
01:18:13,729 --> 01:18:11,100
do get it's just their individual

2098
01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:13,739
situations and it's it's hard to put a

2099
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:15,420
huge umbrella some guys have a

2100
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:18,120
government NDA so there's you're exposed

2101
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:20,760
from a criminal perspective from uh the

2102
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,640
justice department and and then for a

2103
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:25,440
guy who depending upon what the state

2104
01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:27,719
laws are and if there is some sort of a

2105
01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:29,699
time of useful Consciousness for this

2106
01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:33,540
NDA uh you could be civilly exposed in a

2107
01:18:38,570 --> 01:18:35,219
civil proceeding and I don't know that

2108
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:38,580
so I I can't I can't you have but those

2109
01:18:42,770 --> 01:18:40,199
are reasons right those are legit things

2110
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,780
it's not just like I have an NDA I can't

2111
01:18:46,910 --> 01:18:45,360
talk no like you could say I have an NDA

2112
01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:46,920
that exposes me to criminal liability if

2113
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,020
I speak about this hey I would respect

2114
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,360
that answer so much more than right yeah

2115
01:18:54,770 --> 01:18:53,280
I can't say anything right okay right we

2116
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:54,780
can you can you know there's you can

2117
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:56,040
claim oh yeah I have one with this

2118
01:19:00,050 --> 01:18:57,120
company and I'm not allowed to talk

2119
01:19:01,970 --> 01:19:00,060
about that because XYZ I can claim

2120
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:01,980
Insanity it legitimately and break down

2121
01:19:05,209 --> 01:19:03,900
NDA yeah I've got an end date with my

2122
01:19:17,229 --> 01:19:05,219
wife Sometimes some things I can't talk

2123
01:19:22,010 --> 01:19:19,669
you are so much fun

2124
01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:22,020
um let me get uh let Steph say her

2125
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,780
goodbyes we'll go to uh did I talk too

2126
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:25,920
much or have more do you have more

2127
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:28,980
questions that's fantastic we always

2128
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:31,080
have questions we always have we always

2129
01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:33,060
have questions we you know we try to get

2130
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,699
people a little bit more okay

2131
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:36,719
um yeah I don't want to cut you off

2132
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,679
because I know that I have some

2133
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:39,120
long-winded answers and trying to

2134
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:41,820
explain things I understand my question

2135
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:45,000
is like I have a lot of uh stuff that's

2136
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,460
really sort of ranch technical

2137
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,199
perspective and and I was going to ask

2138
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:52,080
you about getting uh your your homeboy

2139
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:55,560
if you will from Utah B Frugal so that

2140
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:57,000
we can hit him up on some of these

2141
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:59,580
issues do you think he would enjoy this

2142
01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:01,440
venue

2143
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,900
I I think so

2144
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:06,000
um yeah we can send him a case of Diet

2145
01:20:09,890 --> 01:20:07,860
Mountain Dew maybe that would help yes I

2146
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:09,900
would put it in the right direction no

2147
01:20:15,050 --> 01:20:13,020
yeah I don't think he needs to be bribed

2148
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,060
um but I mean you guys have had you know

2149
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:17,280
some pretty Heavy Hitters here I don't

2150
01:20:21,229 --> 01:20:19,080
see why he wouldn't uh

2151
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:21,239
be interested in doing this I've been

2152
01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:22,560
trying to reach myself I actually got to

2153
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:24,300
get building this week again

2154
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:26,100
um yeah I mean if I talk to her I'll

2155
01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:28,199
bring it up I'll definitely vote it by

2156
01:20:32,209 --> 01:20:28,980
him

2157
01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:32,219
um but I don't think no okay yeah I'd

2158
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:33,719
love to get into some technical business

2159
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:35,640
with him and there might even be a can

2160
01:20:40,610 --> 01:20:37,739
of my organic skin care formula in in

2161
01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:40,620
the next year so with Nathan to seal the

2162
01:20:46,570 --> 01:20:44,040
deal if it helps you can tell him I also

2163
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:46,580
love Terminator

2164
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:49,500
there you go right that's not to love

2165
01:20:56,689 --> 01:20:54,950
it's been awesome you're so much fun TJ

2166
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:56,699
I mean we don't really get to speak with

2167
01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:00,480
people from television uh on here to to

2168
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:02,580
get that perspective

2169
01:21:06,590 --> 01:21:04,260
um I'm glad that you're open to Bringing

2170
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:06,600
Sasquatch on the set if you can reach

2171
01:21:12,290 --> 01:21:09,679
one of them

2172
01:21:14,110 --> 01:21:12,300
it goes like the people that I've spoken

2173
01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:14,120
to that have been in that world and

2174
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:19,260
hunted them and and like again just show

2175
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:20,780
them the one right

2176
01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:24,900
show me one for real well you know when

2177
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:26,760
when you start get there's even a woo

2178
01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:29,340
aspect to them where they talk um this

2179
01:21:33,649 --> 01:21:31,500
Texas detective talked about mind speak

2180
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:33,659
something that he didn't think he

2181
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:36,960
thought was total BS if you will and

2182
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,760
then um he went and met with a Native

2183
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:40,560
American woman and went in the in the

2184
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:44,340
forest behind her home and uh and was in

2185
01:21:49,010 --> 01:21:46,860
introduced to a family of them him and

2186
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:49,020
then he didn't think it was BS said it

2187
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:51,780
complete completely changed her her his

2188
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:54,480
perspective on uh the creature plus him

2189
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:55,800
being able to

2190
01:22:01,130 --> 01:21:58,739
emit certain sounds uh that can make you

2191
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,140
feel a certain way they can uh their

2192
01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:03,600
pheromones they can exude a smell if it

2193
01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:05,880
makes you smell something so there's a

2194
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:08,520
lot of things about them that I was

2195
01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:10,260
completely unaware of

2196
01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:12,360
again to me it's just it's unfortunate

2197
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:13,800
I'm so cynical with it it's just their

2198
01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:16,500
stories right it's all stories I want

2199
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:19,560
some you know like that was saying

2200
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:20,760
before like there needs to be research

2201
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,400
like that's they let's see things let's

2202
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,320
crack things that's there has to be some

2203
01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:26,880
data element to this that we can kind of

2204
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:28,679
you know study

2205
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,020
um more than just those stories and they

2206
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:32,880
could have you know the utmost

2207
01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:35,760
probability but at a certain point

2208
01:22:38,689 --> 01:22:37,380
you know you want to go you got to get

2209
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:38,699
it out of the realm of stories that's

2210
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:41,880
why we need objects we need data we need

2211
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,280
something tangible otherwise we're it's

2212
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:45,840
never going to progress these topics

2213
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:48,780
will ever progress past stories upon

2214
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:51,000
stories and then it's all just debates

2215
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:53,460
about credibility and it's unfortunate

2216
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:55,260
um because next step has to happen at

2217
01:23:00,410 --> 01:22:57,480
some point all I can tell you though is

2218
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:00,420
from from an empath perspective is that

2219
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:03,300
when you when you listen to somebody

2220
01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:05,100
you've heard many many people tell you

2221
01:23:08,810 --> 01:23:06,659
stories a lot of people trying to get on

2222
01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:08,820
TV you know all these sorts of things

2223
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:10,980
and you're probably pretty good at

2224
01:23:17,470 --> 01:23:14,100
assessing credibility and when Nathan

2225
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:17,480
shared with me this uh this uh podcast

2226
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:20,340
of first-person encounters

2227
01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:23,940
and you hear the terror in a person's

2228
01:23:28,030 --> 01:23:26,040
voice particularly Hunters when they're

2229
01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:28,040
hunting in an area where the Sasquatch

2230
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:31,500
also hunts for the same game that

2231
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:34,380
they're hunting and this person who

2232
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:36,900
sounds like the type of

2233
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:38,760
hunters and fishermen that you'd be

2234
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:41,820
familiar with up in north northern New

2235
01:23:47,330 --> 01:23:45,659
York state that says I peed my pants

2236
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:47,340
um they don't people don't volunteer

2237
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:50,159
that and they don't break in the middle

2238
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:51,540
of their speech where they can't

2239
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:54,600
continue when they're lying and so I

2240
01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:56,940
found that very compelling not to say I

2241
01:24:03,050 --> 01:23:59,880
felt uh or I could place myself in their

2242
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:03,060
spot I can't do that but I can feel real

2243
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:05,820
emotion and fake emotion right no I

2244
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,380
don't think anyone's faking anything I

2245
01:24:11,330 --> 01:24:09,600
really believe like they believe these

2246
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,340
things it's and I'm not saying that they

2247
01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:13,260
didn't they don't happen but if you want

2248
01:24:17,149 --> 01:24:15,179
others to believe you there has to be

2249
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:17,159
more than just words right there has to

2250
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:18,179
be

2251
01:24:21,050 --> 01:24:19,800
uh you can have the most convincing

2252
01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:21,060
people in the world and they can make

2253
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:23,219
you feel like musicians they can sing

2254
01:24:27,290 --> 01:24:24,719
and they can make you feel emotional

2255
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:27,300
make you feel emotion it just happens

2256
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,760
you know but like you need more you need

2257
01:24:34,370 --> 01:24:31,440
something if you really want to take it

2258
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,380
out of the realm of just a story and I

2259
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:36,719
listen I've I've talked I'm when I say

2260
01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:37,920
that like when you say like yeah there's

2261
01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:40,199
Hunters right I I

2262
01:24:45,169 --> 01:24:43,140
dozens of those people that there's no

2263
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:45,179
way they're lying there's no way in my

2264
01:24:51,470 --> 01:24:48,540
in my mind but I can't if you can't show

2265
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:51,480
me something you know like it's just the

2266
01:24:55,330 --> 01:24:52,560
reality of it it's unfortunate it's just

2267
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:55,340
the reality of it you know

2268
01:25:00,410 --> 01:24:57,659
there should be something tangible to

2269
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,420
compare to right exactly well speaking

2270
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:03,120
of musicians also I just I noticed on

2271
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,320
one of Brandon's posts that he had

2272
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,239
posted Nine Inch Nails had visited the

2273
01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:08,400
ranch and so I'm just wondering is that

2274
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,260
some sort of a teaser to lead up to

2275
01:25:15,290 --> 01:25:13,679
potentially testing music notes I've had

2276
01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:15,300
experiencers claim that they've heard

2277
01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:17,640
the keynote of c and if Nine Inch Nails

2278
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:19,980
is gonna come onto the show and produce

2279
01:25:24,290 --> 01:25:21,239
these sounds to see if there's a

2280
01:25:46,570 --> 01:25:24,300
reaction I mean you guys you guys are

2281
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:48,890
we'll get Kenny G out there with the

2282
01:25:57,470 --> 01:25:54,050
I'm gonna get him in there with

2283
01:26:00,169 --> 01:25:57,480
Sasquatch Nathan it'll be incredible no

2284
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:00,179
but in all serious it's like I have no

2285
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,920
no no knowledge of what that little uh

2286
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,960
you know what that was about

2287
01:26:10,729 --> 01:26:08,460
um that's what's great about Brandon

2288
01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:10,739
though he's you know he's very uh there

2289
01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:14,100
are things he just does and like okay

2290
01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:16,860
that happened all right moving on you

2291
01:26:22,970 --> 01:26:19,580
know like encryption next yeah yeah

2292
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:22,980
credibility I appreciate that I'd rather

2293
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:25,380
that than like you know

2294
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:27,300
sharing something that you know you're

2295
01:26:33,470 --> 01:26:29,400
just you're T he's teasing the audience

2296
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:33,480
in a way but also when leaving

2297
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:36,600
you know that credibility factor to

2298
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:38,760
holding true to your NBA I think that's

2299
01:26:43,490 --> 01:26:41,820
so important so I respect that look if

2300
01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:43,500
nothing else

2301
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:45,480
at the ranch

2302
01:26:50,330 --> 01:26:48,179
he's a musician I mean it's not hard to

2303
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,340
kind of extrapolate

2304
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:52,560
you know what musician wouldn't wouldn't

2305
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:55,199
want to test these things I mean in last

2306
01:26:58,250 --> 01:26:56,400
season we did it with you know we had a

2307
01:26:59,930 --> 01:26:58,260
rabbi that was doing doing it recording

2308
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:59,940
playing replay like

2309
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:02,159
there's tests happening you know we're

2310
01:27:07,129 --> 01:27:05,820
trying anything you can so

2311
01:27:08,689 --> 01:27:07,139
yeah no I love this I love these

2312
01:27:11,390 --> 01:27:08,699
questions this is all

2313
01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:11,400
I feel like Deb's been really quiet I'm

2314
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:13,340
just waiting because I'm I'm in Choice

2315
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,800
TJ when she's yeah I I

2316
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:18,480
just I've been trying to figure out how

2317
01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:20,760
to ask this but I know this could end up

2318
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,500
being like another long thing and I

2319
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,239
don't want to do that I just wanted to

2320
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:26,239
ask

2321
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,260
any chance

2322
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:31,199
that in the future there will be another

2323
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:34,620
show about a place that might be called

2324
01:27:39,970 --> 01:27:38,520
Marley Woods really

2325
01:27:43,610 --> 01:27:39,980
oh

2326
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,620
man we're getting out so look that that

2327
01:27:48,290 --> 01:27:45,600
has it's now kind of the not secret

2328
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,300
secret that it's been tried for a couple

2329
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,679
of years now

2330
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,600
um I would hope so

2331
01:27:55,129 --> 01:27:53,760
I can say that I I hope

2332
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:55,139
um but I mean I don't have a crystal

2333
01:28:00,169 --> 01:27:56,940
ball right you know it's it's not like

2334
01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:00,179
the it's pretty open like Tom is out

2335
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:02,520
there talking about it um uh not not

2336
01:28:06,649 --> 01:28:05,040
Winterton I don't think people know uh

2337
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:06,659
Tom ferrario

2338
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:08,040
um he's out there talking about place

2339
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:10,440
all the time and um I've been great you

2340
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:11,520
know I've been in communication with Tom

2341
01:28:15,709 --> 01:28:14,580
for a few years now so you know if if I

2342
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:15,719
can make that happen yeah I would like

2343
01:28:18,050 --> 01:28:17,040
to make it happen

2344
01:28:20,510 --> 01:28:18,060
um

2345
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:20,520
maybe I can leave it at that like I I

2346
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,520
fingers crossed right well you know what

2347
01:28:28,669 --> 01:28:26,159
next time I interview him which is

2348
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:28,679
coming up for a part too you're welcome

2349
01:28:34,189 --> 01:28:31,139
to come TJ because he thinks you're his

2350
01:28:36,350 --> 01:28:34,199
buddy yes

2351
01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:36,360
listen Tom's a good guy like he you know

2352
01:28:41,629 --> 01:28:39,719
he has the the thing that Tom has that

2353
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:41,639
nobody else

2354
01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:47,520
um is a direct line

2355
01:28:53,330 --> 01:28:51,420
to Project Blue Book direct line

2356
01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:53,340
um worked with Ted Phillips Ted Phillips

2357
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:56,280
was worked with heineck

2358
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:58,920
heinek was Blue Book

2359
01:29:03,709 --> 01:29:01,020
there's no I mean there's a legit not

2360
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:03,719
just the interesting aspect of Marley

2361
01:29:09,050 --> 01:29:06,600
woods and what Tom has been doing his

2362
01:29:11,689 --> 01:29:09,060
whole life with all of his studies but

2363
01:29:13,970 --> 01:29:11,699
there's a paper trail there there's a

2364
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:13,980
actual lineage

2365
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:17,400
um that has not been explored yet so

2366
01:29:21,229 --> 01:29:19,199
it's all been stories on stories on

2367
01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:21,239
stories of you know high neck and blue

2368
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:23,340
book and secretive well here's a guy who

2369
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,600
is with the guy

2370
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:26,940
like you know you know the man sitting

2371
01:29:31,550 --> 01:29:30,239
next to the man like legitimately yeah I

2372
01:29:32,810 --> 01:29:31,560
feel like we're breeding a cocker

2373
01:29:35,330 --> 01:29:32,820
spaniel all of a sudden we're talking

2374
01:29:37,850 --> 01:29:35,340
Bloodlines and pedigree I have to say

2375
01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:37,860
though that if you don't people don't

2376
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:39,780
look back enough and they should because

2377
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:42,179
heinek was talking about hitchhiker

2378
01:29:48,770 --> 01:29:46,440
effect years before anyone before Kiel

2379
01:29:51,530 --> 01:29:48,780
spoke about it he called it Poltergeist

2380
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,540
activity and I feel like people

2381
01:29:56,209 --> 01:29:53,040
shouldn't be paying attention to the

2382
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:56,219
history yeah they should um problem is

2383
01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:58,139
the stories right and so like the idea

2384
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,460
of something tangible if I have a guy

2385
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:01,920
who I can trace back to that directly

2386
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,340
with evidence that shows that he was

2387
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:08,159
there that shows you know that that was

2388
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:09,600
happening like that's a that's different

2389
01:30:15,709 --> 01:30:12,420
than a story of a someone who drew a

2390
01:30:18,050 --> 01:30:15,719
picture 50 years ago or someone who you

2391
01:30:19,970 --> 01:30:18,060
know an interview of somebody who saw

2392
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:19,980
something no this is someone who was

2393
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:22,380
that was their job

2394
01:30:26,570 --> 01:30:24,360
um it's just something I feel has been

2395
01:30:27,649 --> 01:30:26,580
left left out like this nobody cares

2396
01:30:28,910 --> 01:30:27,659
about the meat and potatoes anymore

2397
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,920
everyone's just looking for the shiny

2398
01:30:32,450 --> 01:30:30,239
box

2399
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,460
um and uh so you know again

2400
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:35,280
unfortunately but there's no Outlets so

2401
01:30:38,330 --> 01:30:36,719
if I can get that one through I'm I'm

2402
01:30:39,530 --> 01:30:38,340
you know that amongst other places

2403
01:30:40,850 --> 01:30:39,540
there's plenty of these places I would

2404
01:30:42,410 --> 01:30:40,860
love to have shows on every one of these

2405
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:42,420
locations

2406
01:30:47,330 --> 01:30:44,940
um I will say thank you to Skinwalker

2407
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:47,340
Ranch for inspiring those places to

2408
01:30:51,970 --> 01:30:50,639
pronounce to the world we too have

2409
01:30:54,910 --> 01:30:51,980
activity

2410
01:30:57,649 --> 01:30:54,920
yeah I mean they're coming out and again

2411
01:31:00,530 --> 01:30:57,659
I send them to me you know places you

2412
01:31:03,410 --> 01:31:00,540
know people that are interested please

2413
01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:03,420
um you know I any of your audience again

2414
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:05,340
like reach out I'm very accessible

2415
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:07,020
sometimes it takes me a while to get

2416
01:31:10,970 --> 01:31:09,120
back but I'm more than happy I I try to

2417
01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:10,980
interact with everyone I can

2418
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:12,179
um just for these reasons and it doesn't

2419
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:13,620
just have to be on you know the stuff

2420
01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:15,360
that we know of here these there's

2421
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:16,920
plenty of places I don't know

2422
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:19,920
um that educate me like you know send

2423
01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:21,480
them send them my way

2424
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:23,400
um what's next what don't I know what am

2425
01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:24,840
I missing you know what is nobody

2426
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:27,060
talking about in this realm

2427
01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:29,040
um it's not you know just arguing over

2428
01:31:33,530 --> 01:31:31,320
who's right and who's wrong and who put

2429
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:33,540
an eye on top of a you know memo

2430
01:31:38,270 --> 01:31:35,639
somewhere you know and if you look at in

2431
01:31:41,330 --> 01:31:38,280
the Mirror Backwards it says no no like

2432
01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:41,340
give me something TJ this whole Missing

2433
01:31:46,669 --> 01:31:43,800
411 one business have you seen those on

2434
01:31:48,770 --> 01:31:46,679
on Amazon Prime I'll tell you I've seen

2435
01:31:51,229 --> 01:31:48,780
more I've seen it and I've even pitched

2436
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:51,239
when I pitched an exec that two years

2437
01:31:59,629 --> 01:31:54,719
ago that that concept of the correlation

2438
01:32:01,970 --> 01:31:59,639
between Bigfoot and missing people

2439
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:01,980
um they were shocked uh Network

2440
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:03,840
discovers shocked

2441
01:32:09,470 --> 01:32:06,960
um now the problem is if you want to

2442
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:09,480
look at it realistically right now this

2443
01:32:14,510 --> 01:32:12,780
is no woo right only things we know

2444
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:14,520
this is where it gets really really

2445
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:16,080
frightening

2446
01:32:22,430 --> 01:32:19,440
um because what is more plausible

2447
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:22,440
that a creature the Bigfoot a Sasquatch

2448
01:32:26,090 --> 01:32:24,480
that's seven eight feet tall hundreds of

2449
01:32:27,649 --> 01:32:26,100
pounds mystical lives forever whatever

2450
01:32:31,310 --> 01:32:27,659
it is right whatever the legend of the

2451
01:32:33,169 --> 01:32:31,320
Lord is is it more probable that it's

2452
01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:33,179
that that's abducting or killing people

2453
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:35,820
or that it's some people dressed like

2454
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:36,780
that

2455
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:47,580
what the sightings in 49 of 50 states

2456
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:54,950
if we had evidence of those creatures

2457
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:57,540
doing it right a dead Creature if we had

2458
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,920
a creature

2459
01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:00,719
but you know what we do have we do have

2460
01:33:04,610 --> 01:33:03,300
crazy people who do things like that and

2461
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:04,620
so when you say that like when you look

2462
01:33:07,310 --> 01:33:05,940
at it when you go to law enforcement you

2463
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:07,320
say okay the first thing is gonna be

2464
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:08,400
like well

2465
01:33:14,030 --> 01:33:11,280
you know you got to prove it's not like

2466
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:14,040
how do you know not that I recommend

2467
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,199
watching it TJ because I don't feel like

2468
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:18,719
I know about it it's very compelling I

2469
01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:20,400
mean it's amazing

2470
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:22,380
polite says that they're not keeping the

2471
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:23,580
national parks are not keeping

2472
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:26,880
statistics he says uh and in in the case

2473
01:33:31,850 --> 01:33:29,400
of missing persons like one of your New

2474
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:31,860
York Brothers like Tom Messick from

2475
01:33:36,770 --> 01:33:35,040
Horicon New York who came up missing and

2476
01:33:39,169 --> 01:33:36,780
all of a sudden the FBI turned up and

2477
01:33:42,530 --> 01:33:39,179
they said the FBI only shows up for

2478
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,540
non-children in in one instance and

2479
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:44,159
that's if the local law enforcement

2480
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:47,820
calls them in but they did turn up uh

2481
01:33:52,129 --> 01:33:49,860
and why did they turn up for for that

2482
01:33:54,110 --> 01:33:52,139
investigation so there's I think there's

2483
01:33:55,790 --> 01:33:54,120
some meat on the bone there I agree I

2484
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:55,800
agree it's just that I'm scared you know

2485
01:34:01,129 --> 01:33:58,920
again when I pitch it all you can do is

2486
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:01,139
their response you know it's like and

2487
01:34:04,970 --> 01:34:03,239
the the part of it that's really

2488
01:34:06,649 --> 01:34:04,980
terrible and I say this a lot when I

2489
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:06,659
talk to people that I'm trying to you

2490
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:08,040
know get information on it's like

2491
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:09,360
there's I'm gonna have these

2492
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:11,400
relationships with so many people three

2493
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,020
months six months a year as we go on

2494
01:34:16,189 --> 01:34:14,880
this journey to make a show a lot of

2495
01:34:17,629 --> 01:34:16,199
times it doesn't happen more times than

2496
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:17,639
not right it doesn't happen and it's not

2497
01:34:20,270 --> 01:34:18,719
personal it's nothing to do with them

2498
01:34:22,430 --> 01:34:20,280
they're great people

2499
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:22,440
um but at a certain point like the

2500
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,580
amount of time you spend in

2501
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,960
communicating and talking with them

2502
01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:26,639
about a topic or about you know

2503
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,440
themselves what they do

2504
01:34:33,530 --> 01:34:30,000
um that you have to Pivot eventually

2505
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,540
like your job is to find these things to

2506
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:35,760
find more and if you take them as far as

2507
01:34:39,890 --> 01:34:38,159
you can you know good luck I hope you

2508
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:39,900
have success maybe it's somebody else

2509
01:34:43,310 --> 01:34:41,760
that can help you but it's like I go

2510
01:34:46,910 --> 01:34:43,320
through all the channels I can I pitch

2511
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:46,920
every Network that I can and it's if the

2512
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:48,300
answer is no it's like okay so I have to

2513
01:34:52,189 --> 01:34:50,400
move on right and it's

2514
01:34:53,930 --> 01:34:52,199
and same with that like I think it's a

2515
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:53,940
fascinating story I don't know where to

2516
01:34:58,970 --> 01:34:57,120
get traction with it I I've tried I I'm

2517
01:35:01,370 --> 01:34:58,980
not even I I don't even know that it's

2518
01:35:03,470 --> 01:35:01,380
necessarily Sasquatch that's that's the

2519
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:03,480
reason the culprit in in these missing

2520
01:35:09,410 --> 01:35:06,239
cases but what why these points out is

2521
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,420
is the conditions that that bring about

2522
01:35:13,790 --> 01:35:11,940
someone to go missing in these national

2523
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:13,800
parks and there's a weather anomaly

2524
01:35:17,570 --> 01:35:15,440
Associated it's late in the afternoon

2525
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,580
there's all these sorts of things that

2526
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:19,920
you if you haven't seen missing 4-1-1

2527
01:35:25,550 --> 01:35:22,800
the hunted on Amazon Prime for free I

2528
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,560
highly recommend it uh I am not if don't

2529
01:35:29,149 --> 01:35:27,600
know pilates at all

2530
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:29,159
um but

2531
01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:31,620
um it's very very well done and he never

2532
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,980
does state in that documentary at all a

2533
01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:37,199
hypothesis as to where he thinks they're

2534
01:35:41,090 --> 01:35:38,820
going and I think that personally I

2535
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:41,100
think that's how it should stay because

2536
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:43,800
I don't know that you could attribute

2537
01:35:47,930 --> 01:35:45,840
that much as and I don't know what

2538
01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:47,940
Nathan's feeling is on this and Nathan

2539
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:50,219
I'm going to just pass it to you

2540
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:53,820
um as much as we've sort of researched

2541
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:55,980
Sasquatch over the last month or so I

2542
01:36:00,530 --> 01:35:57,480
don't know that that's the culprit in

2543
01:36:03,709 --> 01:36:00,540
all of those what do you think Nathan

2544
01:36:05,810 --> 01:36:03,719
yeah I mean it's uh I mean I'm kind of

2545
01:36:08,270 --> 01:36:05,820
the stories are fascinating right I mean

2546
01:36:09,770 --> 01:36:08,280
and there's so many of them uh so you

2547
01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:09,780
know that's in some ways there's a

2548
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:12,060
strong parallel to the UFO stuff because

2549
01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:13,679
there's so many of them and at some

2550
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:16,199
point you you know the the accumulative

2551
01:36:21,169 --> 01:36:18,480
effect about the story is you take it a

2552
01:36:22,970 --> 01:36:21,179
lot more seriously but I I TJ I mean I'm

2553
01:36:24,530 --> 01:36:22,980
right there with you like we need we

2554
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,540
need better data more data you know

2555
01:36:30,290 --> 01:36:26,639
we're gonna need that right

2556
01:36:32,570 --> 01:36:30,300
um I think that the this is kind of the

2557
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,580
conundrum in some ways like the mystery

2558
01:36:37,850 --> 01:36:34,800
is part of what makes it a good story

2559
01:36:39,649 --> 01:36:37,860
right so uh the fact that there might

2560
01:36:41,689 --> 01:36:39,659
not be all these answers that it's

2561
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,699
really difficult to study that there's a

2562
01:36:45,129 --> 01:36:43,440
little bit of an information Gap that

2563
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:45,139
exists like that kind of

2564
01:36:51,530 --> 01:36:49,560
lends to the exciting aspects of

2565
01:36:52,970 --> 01:36:51,540
you know why people want to watch right

2566
01:36:57,950 --> 01:36:52,980
so

2567
01:36:59,390 --> 01:36:57,960
that degree of of mystery right the kind

2568
01:37:01,370 --> 01:36:59,400
of keys who are coming back and then

2569
01:37:03,530 --> 01:37:01,380
they they put in their own theories and

2570
01:37:06,350 --> 01:37:03,540
people coming back I mean many ways that

2571
01:37:09,290 --> 01:37:06,360
the UFO topic is like that too right so

2572
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:09,300
we we substitute data with our

2573
01:37:13,490 --> 01:37:12,000
imaginations and our imaginations are

2574
01:37:14,990 --> 01:37:13,500
really good like we're really good at

2575
01:37:16,970 --> 01:37:15,000
filling in the gaps and coming up with

2576
01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:16,980
all these stories and and you know if

2577
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,300
you're good at entertainment you can

2578
01:37:23,629 --> 01:37:20,400
utilize that to your advantage

2579
01:37:24,890 --> 01:37:23,639
um and if you're good at uh you know

2580
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:24,900
kind of narrative control you can

2581
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,480
utilize that to your advantage as well

2582
01:37:31,010 --> 01:37:29,520
um so I guess what I'm really kind of

2583
01:37:32,510 --> 01:37:31,020
curious about well first of all what I

2584
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:32,520
want to say to you personally is I

2585
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:35,040
really appreciate your authenticity uh

2586
01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:36,719
you go out of your way like above and

2587
01:37:40,250 --> 01:37:38,580
beyond to connect with people you make

2588
01:37:41,570 --> 01:37:40,260
yourself really accessible I know that's

2589
01:37:44,030 --> 01:37:41,580
not easy to do you've got a family

2590
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:44,040
you've got a lot going on and the fact

2591
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,080
that you're engaging with folks and you

2592
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,760
know listening to folks stories and and

2593
01:37:52,669 --> 01:37:49,920
just being a curious person like that's

2594
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:52,679
not a that's that's not easy to come by

2595
01:37:55,850 --> 01:37:54,000
you don't run into people who are like

2596
01:37:57,470 --> 01:37:55,860
that all the time particularly in your

2597
01:37:59,090 --> 01:37:57,480
industry so I just wanted to say thank

2598
01:38:00,590 --> 01:37:59,100
you for that and I know it can be

2599
01:38:01,970 --> 01:38:00,600
probably tiring and sometimes you get

2600
01:38:04,129 --> 01:38:01,980
assaulted because you're just being a

2601
01:38:05,930 --> 01:38:04,139
curious guy uh put your neck out there

2602
01:38:08,770 --> 01:38:05,940
but you know I really appreciate it I

2603
01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:08,780
want to say thanks for that sure um

2604
01:38:13,250 --> 01:38:11,159
but you know so I guess the the last

2605
01:38:15,169 --> 01:38:13,260
question I would ask is you know we're

2606
01:38:16,729 --> 01:38:15,179
in this phase where potentially we have

2607
01:38:20,090 --> 01:38:16,739
this convergence right we have a

2608
01:38:22,610 --> 01:38:20,100
convergence of a government that may

2609
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,620
officially be coming forward with some

2610
01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:24,960
with some actual data you know more data

2611
01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:27,120
there's a lot of debate as to how much

2612
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:30,300
that we might get and then we have a lot

2613
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,760
of shows uh in there I would say skin

2614
01:38:36,350 --> 01:38:35,040
walker Ranch is doing it really well but

2615
01:38:38,689 --> 01:38:36,360
there are other shows that have long

2616
01:38:41,090 --> 01:38:38,699
existed in this vacuum this this

2617
01:38:43,370 --> 01:38:41,100
information vacuum that have capitalized

2618
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,380
on the mystery and the Mystique so we

2619
01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:44,639
have these kinds of things that are

2620
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:47,960
potentially converging where uh

2621
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:50,880
you know the the light of data may

2622
01:38:55,070 --> 01:38:52,440
actually extinguish some of the the

2623
01:38:56,689 --> 01:38:55,080
shadow of mystery and it's going to be

2624
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:56,699
an interesting space I mean how do you

2625
01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:00,239
think about that uh potential uh sort of

2626
01:39:04,250 --> 01:39:02,820
eventuality you know so this is what I

2627
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:04,260
want to capitalize on with something

2628
01:39:10,669 --> 01:39:07,980
like Tom and Marley you're bringing the

2629
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:10,679
history the real history

2630
01:39:15,950 --> 01:39:13,620
and you're kind of showcasing the

2631
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:15,960
stories of what we used to have and then

2632
01:39:21,169 --> 01:39:18,000
you're going to apply the modern

2633
01:39:24,350 --> 01:39:21,179
technology the modern methods to it and

2634
01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:24,360
examining that like taking a real look

2635
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:26,219
at that through that that through line

2636
01:39:30,410 --> 01:39:28,500
you know that was what I think has to

2637
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:30,420
happen there has to be a bridge

2638
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:32,580
um there isn't a bridge right and it's I

2639
01:39:35,390 --> 01:39:33,840
love that that was a great that's a

2640
01:39:37,790 --> 01:39:35,400
great way to put it you know the data is

2641
01:39:39,950 --> 01:39:37,800
extinguishing the you know the the flame

2642
01:39:42,169 --> 01:39:39,960
to these stories like there's so much of

2643
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,179
it that's just bunk there really is

2644
01:39:46,669 --> 01:39:44,400
um they're great stories they really are

2645
01:39:48,290 --> 01:39:46,679
uh you know but they're not provable

2646
01:39:49,610 --> 01:39:48,300
like I think it's time to move on and

2647
01:39:50,990 --> 01:39:49,620
that was one of my frustrations earlier

2648
01:39:52,490 --> 01:39:51,000
that I said about people who are

2649
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:52,500
clinical experts because they know all

2650
01:39:57,470 --> 01:39:55,440
these stories okay great that doesn't oh

2651
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:57,480
it's that useful everybody knows all

2652
01:40:00,169 --> 01:39:58,620
these stories and you're probably

2653
01:40:01,370 --> 01:40:00,179
regurgitating the same stuff that some

2654
01:40:02,750 --> 01:40:01,380
other person said in the YouTube channel

2655
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:02,760
somewhere like that's not interesting to

2656
01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:03,840
me

2657
01:40:08,090 --> 01:40:06,300
um what you're saying is like when you

2658
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:08,100
have the Advent of this

2659
01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:09,840
something has to give and this is why I

2660
01:40:12,830 --> 01:40:10,920
keep saying has to be a piece of

2661
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:12,840
evidence I don't personally I'm in the

2662
01:40:15,229 --> 01:40:13,860
camp of they're never going to get

2663
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:15,239
anything from the government it'll never

2664
01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:16,560
work that way

2665
01:40:21,050 --> 01:40:17,940
um we're always gonna it's gonna be a

2666
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:21,060
private individual uh that's going to

2667
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:24,719
have um with someone refer to as Fu

2668
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:27,060
money like somebody doesn't care

2669
01:40:30,370 --> 01:40:28,080
um you know you have somebody like a

2670
01:40:32,570 --> 01:40:30,380
brand and there's plenty of others

2671
01:40:34,610 --> 01:40:32,580
like a Brandon like somebody there's

2672
01:40:36,050 --> 01:40:34,620
plenty of others um you can't spell

2673
01:40:36,170 --> 01:40:36,060
fugle without Fu that's what I

2674
01:40:39,970 --> 01:40:36,180
understand

2675
01:40:46,450 --> 01:40:39,980
[Laughter]

2676
01:40:53,050 --> 01:40:48,709
I gotta tell them that that's brilliant

2677
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:53,060
that for you to share it's a 401k

2678
01:40:58,430 --> 01:40:56,880
but anyway yeah so uh that's that but

2679
01:40:59,629 --> 01:40:58,440
that's the type of you know the Renegade

2680
01:41:01,370 --> 01:40:59,639
whatever you want to call it that's

2681
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,380
going to make these things happen um

2682
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:03,600
there's no there's no scenario in which

2683
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:05,100
I can see the government saying hey

2684
01:41:09,530 --> 01:41:06,239
guess what

2685
01:41:11,450 --> 01:41:09,540
blah blah blah it's not happening ever

2686
01:41:13,250 --> 01:41:11,460
there's a cost to that information you

2687
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:13,260
know it could be but you know hey

2688
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,880
there's aliens and now no one can leave

2689
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:16,800
their house for eight months but that's

2690
01:41:20,810 --> 01:41:18,840
there's gonna be a trade-off there yes

2691
01:41:22,490 --> 01:41:20,820
like too consequential yeah exactly

2692
01:41:24,590 --> 01:41:22,500
there's a cost to that information

2693
01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:24,600
um but you're right on like but it's

2694
01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:25,980
going to be a I think I don't think the

2695
01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:26,940
government's gonna do it I think it's

2696
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:29,219
going to be used as a

2697
01:41:34,729 --> 01:41:32,159
uh a hot potato you know kind of a like

2698
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:34,739
a like during election time you saw it

2699
01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:36,060
try to play out last summer where it's

2700
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:37,739
like one side of the aisle tries to

2701
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,940
plant their flag in it and the other

2702
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:40,860
side calls it conspiracy and then vice

2703
01:41:46,189 --> 01:41:43,920
versa and the news networks are trying

2704
01:41:49,070 --> 01:41:46,199
to dig in and make it their issue and

2705
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,080
catch and all it did was hey hey let's

2706
01:41:53,209 --> 01:41:51,960
increase the budget for Black Ops

2707
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:53,219
programs or whatever it is you know like

2708
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,719
black budget programs now the budget's

2709
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,159
astronomical it's like mission

2710
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:57,600
accomplished like they did what they set

2711
01:42:02,330 --> 01:41:59,760
out to do right get more money

2712
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:02,340
um I just don't see it kind of ever

2713
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:04,020
coming from them but I think that

2714
01:42:07,310 --> 01:42:05,280
there's more of these private people are

2715
01:42:08,510 --> 01:42:07,320
gonna and in regular citizen scientists

2716
01:42:10,129 --> 01:42:08,520
like I think that that's the way that's

2717
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:10,139
going to happen

2718
01:42:15,229 --> 01:42:12,300
um you know I'd love to I still want to

2719
01:42:17,330 --> 01:42:15,239
find somebody who's building a rocket in

2720
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,340
their yard I want to find somebody who's

2721
01:42:20,330 --> 01:42:19,199
like that's what I'm looking for there's

2722
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:20,340
gotta be people out there that are doing

2723
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,729
for you

2724
01:42:34,669 --> 01:42:32,450
what's up let me I think oh sorry Deb

2725
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,679
let me on yeah I was trying to figure

2726
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:36,840
out who was the dog one go ahead okay

2727
01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:38,460
yeah I was I was gonna let you know that

2728
01:42:44,689 --> 01:42:41,699
Cheryl Casa is one of those people

2729
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,699
um on her own dime along with

2730
01:42:49,850 --> 01:42:47,040
um her partner who created a Desk

2731
01:42:51,890 --> 01:42:49,860
Reference and is very interested in um

2732
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:51,900
finding someone in TV who wants to take

2733
01:42:58,129 --> 01:42:55,560
a look she combined all the data from

2734
01:43:02,570 --> 01:42:58,139
mufon and new fork for like the last 20

2735
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,580
years and found patterns and um

2736
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:04,800
some of the true information about

2737
01:43:08,570 --> 01:43:06,780
what's going on

2738
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:08,580
um so I just wanted to chime in about

2739
01:43:10,609 --> 01:43:09,480
that

2740
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:10,619
um because

2741
01:43:16,669 --> 01:43:13,440
Cheryl's interested in those and I can

2742
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:16,679
forward you some stuff so

2743
01:43:22,189 --> 01:43:18,960
um and also yeah that's reference by the

2744
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:22,199
way was mentioned on mystery Wire by

2745
01:43:28,189 --> 01:43:24,840
George Knapp so it's been around for a

2746
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:28,199
while it's got a following

2747
01:43:32,330 --> 01:43:30,540
um but yeah I just wanted to express my

2748
01:43:35,629 --> 01:43:32,340
appreciation

2749
01:43:38,090 --> 01:43:35,639
um we all really appreciate that you are

2750
01:43:40,189 --> 01:43:38,100
accessible like Nathan said and and that

2751
01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:40,199
you are also really passionate about

2752
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,560
this and but in a level-headed way you

2753
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:46,080
know you're you're taking a reasonable

2754
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,300
approach to it and I think it's a good

2755
01:43:52,010 --> 01:43:50,159
look for the community I think more

2756
01:43:53,810 --> 01:43:52,020
people should be doing that so thank you

2757
01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:53,820
very much for coming and speaking to us

2758
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,820
today sure no I thank them thank you for

2759
01:44:00,830 --> 01:43:58,320
having me I mean I love doing this I

2760
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:00,840
again it's all yes there's all the

2761
01:44:04,609 --> 01:44:03,119
interest but it's you know I wish I

2762
01:44:06,109 --> 01:44:04,619
could hide behind that oh I'm doing this

2763
01:44:08,209 --> 01:44:06,119
because it's no no this isn't

2764
01:44:10,970 --> 01:44:08,219
unfortunately it's a job right like this

2765
01:44:12,530 --> 01:44:10,980
is your career and and I and I try to I

2766
01:44:14,930 --> 01:44:12,540
try to be honest about that so people

2767
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:14,940
understand I'm not jumping on any

2768
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,860
bandwagons of anything like I'm not

2769
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:18,960
jumping at the next like the trying to

2770
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:20,820
get behind something I have a

2771
01:44:27,229 --> 01:44:24,239
a goal my goal is I am I want to amplify

2772
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:27,239
and give you know give more coverage to

2773
01:44:29,810 --> 01:44:28,800
something that is incredible what are we

2774
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,820
going to find when I find something

2775
01:44:34,010 --> 01:44:31,440
that's really great

2776
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:34,020
I can be I can help amplify that I can

2777
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:35,280
help get it in front of the right people

2778
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:37,320
to make something happen

2779
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,060
um you know I I provide access like I'm

2780
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:41,280
a conduit in a lot of ways

2781
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:43,619
um but people don't there's no other I

2782
01:44:47,570 --> 01:44:44,780
have not encountered any other

2783
01:44:50,030 --> 01:44:47,580
television producers executive producers

2784
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,040
for that matter that I know that are out

2785
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:52,320
there doing this that are trying to to

2786
01:44:55,970 --> 01:44:54,600
find this stuff it's it's and that's

2787
01:44:58,490 --> 01:44:55,980
kind of discerning to me it's like okay

2788
01:45:00,050 --> 01:44:58,500
so I'm in that world somewhat right

2789
01:45:02,030 --> 01:45:00,060
enough where people know enough in this

2790
01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:02,040
community who I am that hey just reach

2791
01:45:04,850 --> 01:45:03,000
out to this guy you're trying to do this

2792
01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:04,860
on TV reach out to TJ you know get hold

2793
01:45:08,209 --> 01:45:06,420
of him I'm more than happy to talk to

2794
01:45:10,010 --> 01:45:08,219
you I don't know anybody else that's

2795
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:10,020
kind of doing that

2796
01:45:12,890 --> 01:45:11,460
um there's some filmmakers and stuff but

2797
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:12,900
that's different

2798
01:45:18,050 --> 01:45:15,360
um that's a whole different animal so

2799
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,060
you know I I know I know what I know

2800
01:45:23,330 --> 01:45:20,880
right I know television and I want to

2801
01:45:25,729 --> 01:45:23,340
help people that have like legit stuff

2802
01:45:26,930 --> 01:45:25,739
like let's let's try to Let's really try

2803
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:26,940
to push it Forward

2804
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:30,900
um but you know I can't I it's hard to

2805
01:45:34,010 --> 01:45:32,880
find them that's why like this is this

2806
01:45:35,870 --> 01:45:34,020
type of stuff like reach out to me

2807
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:35,880
please feel free I'm not going to judge

2808
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:37,980
you I'm not gonna call you names or you

2809
01:45:41,570 --> 01:45:40,020
know say that you're full of it no I

2810
01:45:44,030 --> 01:45:41,580
want to hear what you have to say

2811
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:44,040
um if I can help you I will so but thank

2812
01:45:49,010 --> 01:45:46,260
you Debra I appreciate that

2813
01:45:51,530 --> 01:45:49,020
Steph you want to say goodbye to TJ

2814
01:45:54,169 --> 01:45:51,540
yes thanks it was it was super awesome

2815
01:45:55,729 --> 01:45:54,179
listening to your views on this and I

2816
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,739
appreciate the way you guys are treating

2817
01:46:01,129 --> 01:45:58,560
this project with uh respect and

2818
01:46:02,750 --> 01:46:01,139
data-driven Analysis because it's not

2819
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:02,760
just a show I think that this is

2820
01:46:07,629 --> 01:46:05,520
information for people to learn from and

2821
01:46:10,609 --> 01:46:07,639
the age range that you described earlier

2822
01:46:12,530 --> 01:46:10,619
also shows me that you know young kids

2823
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,540
are listening and on this while their

2824
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,639
parents are watching so you have this

2825
01:46:19,010 --> 01:46:17,280
wide range of people who are interested

2826
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:19,020
in the topic and I will tell you

2827
01:46:22,609 --> 01:46:20,639
probably some of those people haven't

2828
01:46:26,030 --> 01:46:22,619
been experiencers or haven't been open

2829
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:26,040
to this idea or this subject so it just

2830
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:28,020
does give me some confidence that the

2831
01:46:32,090 --> 01:46:29,400
subject is being treated with some

2832
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,100
dignity and respect so uh and it's it's

2833
01:46:36,890 --> 01:46:34,800
promising so thank you for that

2834
01:46:40,129 --> 01:46:36,900
no of course that's not my dog by the

2835
01:46:42,050 --> 01:46:40,139
way it's not me you guys I'm sorry it's

2836
01:46:44,990 --> 01:46:42,060
my pup she was at the vet earlier today

2837
01:46:46,689 --> 01:46:45,000
my bad she's making her debut now

2838
01:46:49,790 --> 01:46:46,699
I'm sorry

2839
01:46:51,530 --> 01:46:49,800
Nathan any parting shots

2840
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:51,540
I won't take any shots of TJ I know

2841
01:46:56,689 --> 01:46:53,840
better than that up again

2842
01:46:58,490 --> 01:46:56,699
that I appreciate TJ thanks so much uh

2843
01:46:59,930 --> 01:46:58,500
this has been a real pleasure and we we

2844
01:47:02,750 --> 01:46:59,940
haven't had a lot of guests who come

2845
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:02,760
back so uh we're huge fans of you and

2846
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:04,320
what you're doing and uh just really

2847
01:47:08,030 --> 01:47:05,760
honored that you spend time with us this

2848
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:08,040
evening and extra time at that I did

2849
01:47:12,109 --> 01:47:10,500
send you a DM with the uh the Bryce

2850
01:47:14,410 --> 01:47:12,119
zabel talk that we talked about earlier

2851
01:47:16,910 --> 01:47:14,420
so you can check that and see that uh

2852
01:47:18,290 --> 01:47:16,920
mystery man episode or whatever that we

2853
01:47:20,510 --> 01:47:18,300
discussed which I'd love to get your

2854
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,520
thoughts on and separately uh maybe for

2855
01:47:25,609 --> 01:47:22,320
another time I have my own show idea I'd

2856
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,619
like to pitch you so yeah absolutely I'm

2857
01:47:31,609 --> 01:47:28,560
all here anytime anytime appreciate can

2858
01:47:34,850 --> 01:47:33,229
um thank you to miss Julie in the chat

2859
01:47:36,350 --> 01:47:34,860
for uh keeping things running there for

2860
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:36,360
us we have needed a chat moderator

2861
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:38,400
forever and finally we got one thank you

2862
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,280
Miss Julie TJ I mean Nathan had some

2863
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,679
great questions tonight amongst uh Deb

2864
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:45,840
and stuff but to me I mean didn't the

2865
01:47:50,270 --> 01:47:48,000
the Woodstock porta potty comment I mean

2866
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:50,280
have you had anything better come your

2867
01:47:53,689 --> 01:47:51,780
way than that I

2868
01:47:55,550 --> 01:47:53,699
like it like I'm having flashbacks man

2869
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,560
I'm having flashback

2870
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:57,360
and they're not good not good acts or

2871
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:04,970
it was an absolute blast uh and and it's

2872
01:48:10,370 --> 01:48:07,080
it's a really unique cool opportunity

2873
01:48:12,649 --> 01:48:10,380
that I get to uh text with you and and

2874
01:48:15,050 --> 01:48:12,659
ask you stuff or say hello and and

2875
01:48:17,810 --> 01:48:15,060
you're always uh gracious with your time

2876
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:17,820
and answer me and we would like to talk

2877
01:48:22,490 --> 01:48:20,639
to your brother my man from Utah Mr B

2878
01:48:24,290 --> 01:48:22,500
fugle

2879
01:48:26,330 --> 01:48:24,300
um tell them about the app you think

2880
01:48:29,090 --> 01:48:26,340
that's hilarious you can't spell field

2881
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:29,100
without a few that was I mean I don't

2882
01:48:32,090 --> 01:48:30,960
know if I go over the last three months

2883
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:32,100
of the show that's probably the best

2884
01:48:37,010 --> 01:48:35,520
line uh that we've had uh but in a good

2885
01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:37,020
way it's not been a negative that's not

2886
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,850
you know I agree this is

2887
01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:45,780
I mean I I don't know what to say

2888
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:46,990
phenomenal

2889
01:48:52,370 --> 01:48:50,100
[Laughter]

2890
01:48:55,490 --> 01:48:52,380
the name of Nathan's new Pho restaurant

2891
01:48:57,790 --> 01:48:55,500
in Asheville North Carolina phenomenal

2892
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:57,800
all right so

2893
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,440
no it's been an honor and a pleasure to

2894
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:03,840
uh have you on TJ and uh we look forward

2895
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,440
to doing it in the future yes so I

2896
01:49:12,250 --> 01:49:09,600
appreciate it everyone thank you all so

2897
01:49:18,109 --> 01:49:15,530
yes we will we will do it again brother

2898
01:49:20,450 --> 01:49:18,119
uh for stuff for Deb for Nathan and for

2899
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:20,460
the executive producer of The Secret of

2900
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:22,980
Skinwalker Ranch TJ Allard this is DJ

2901
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,880
saying peace out one love and we'll see

2902
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:28,560
you down the road we're always wondering